PeoplesElbow
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A modern engine can produce 100 HP per liter displacement, a late 70s early 80s car was lucky to get 1/3 that. A 1984 Corvette had 200hp, your average minivan has that now.
Car prices remain high as Chinese-made semiconductor shortage keeps inventories low
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A modern engine can produce 100 HP per liter displacement, a late 70s early 80s car was lucky to get 1/3 that. A 1984 Corvette had 200hp, your average minivan has that now.
I think that’s going to vary from design to design. I know my 65 Mustang with a 289 got about 19 to 20 miles to the gallon back when I had it. The modern 5.0 gets about the same, maybe a tiny bit more, but it has a whopping jump in torque and horsepower.
I drove a 1974 Chevy PU with a 454 and a TH 400 .... would get 15 - 17 MPG if I drove reasonable ....
My 2003 Lincoln Aviator makes 302 HP out of a 4.6 L DOHC Engine / 5 pd Auto and AWD that barely got 15 MPG with a 10k Towing Cap
I had a Wagoneer with an AMC 360 2bbl. I think I got about 8 mpg, but that's back when regular was still under 35 cents/gal.
I can relate as having owned 5 different SJs aka Wagoners
My 83 SJ had the ' cherokee ' upgrade ... power windows and locks .... the 4.2 L I^ barely got 15 ... even after dumpi9ng the Carter Feed Back 2bbl for a Weber
I had a 70 Buick with a 455GS. It got about the same.
SamSpade
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I remember in the 80's I noticed that everything was having electronics added to them. I remember asking why it was necessary to have an electonic board on a WASHING MACHINE when the device worked very adequately with simple mechanics.
The answer was, sure, with gears and springs and pulleys, it works but those things cost money. A board of silicon is pennies. And there you have it.
So I shrugged and thought well ok. So long as it's always cheaper to do it that way, although it meant, I was probably never going to repair my washer and dryer again.
I was never much of a gearhead but my little brother was. He and his gang of friends all drove big 60's-70's era muscle cars. The kind that were so huge you could probably climb in under the hood and close it while working on the car. The kind that were so heavy I swear they could just drive THROUGH most of today's cars. Fixing and tweaking their cars was fun, and you didn't need a degree, fancy tools or a lot of money. Just time and effort.
I guess it sucks that this far down the road - it's not so cheap to get that damned board, because it's far too sophisticated for just any company to make it.
The answer was, sure, with gears and springs and pulleys, it works but those things cost money. A board of silicon is pennies. And there you have it.
So I shrugged and thought well ok. So long as it's always cheaper to do it that way, although it meant, I was probably never going to repair my washer and dryer again.
I was never much of a gearhead but my little brother was. He and his gang of friends all drove big 60's-70's era muscle cars. The kind that were so huge you could probably climb in under the hood and close it while working on the car. The kind that were so heavy I swear they could just drive THROUGH most of today's cars. Fixing and tweaking their cars was fun, and you didn't need a degree, fancy tools or a lot of money. Just time and effort.
I guess it sucks that this far down the road - it's not so cheap to get that damned board, because it's far too sophisticated for just any company to make it.
PeoplesElbow
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Believe it or not the electronics in most automobiles, washing machines etc are fairly simple, proprietary, but simple.
And if you look at the curb weight vs today's they are shockingly close.
Emissions control killed power and mileage back in the 70s and 80s, it took 30 years to recover from them.
Grumpy
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Had a 63 Mercury Marauder auto/390..got about 7,8 mpg..I had a 70 Buick with a 455GS. It got about the same.
PeoplesElbow
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1979 Buick LeSabre was a huge tank, 5.7L with 155hp, 0-60 in 12 seconds, curb weight 3800 lbs.
2021 Toyota Camry 2.5L 206hp, 0-60 in 0-60 in 7.6 seconds curb weight 3300 lbs.
2021 Toyota Camry 2.5L 206hp, 0-60 in 0-60 in 7.6 seconds curb weight 3300 lbs.
Clem72
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Hemi you are full of crap this time. Yes, the title is clickbait because most of these chips are made in Korea and Taiwan (usually not what we are talking about when we say "China"), but ain't no damn chip in any car, INCLUDING YOUR TESLA made with an EUV process. None, nada, ZIP. So while ASML may be the bottle-neck in high end chip manufacturing, pushing out new state of the art plants, it has nothing to do with this shortage of chips built on older tech.
PeoplesElbow
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Apparently not
I had a 70 Buick with a 455GS. It got about the same.
I had a '71 Skylark 350/141hp 2bbl auto trans with a rubber floor mat. Talk about an easy car to maintain. Didn't ever check mileage, but gas was still fairly cheap.Had a 63 Mercury Marauder auto/390..got about 7,8 mpg..
Grumpy
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Wow..living large with those rubber floor mats
No, floor mat. As in one continuous mat from door to door, front to back. The perfect car for open containers.
Grumpy
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Cool that you went for that option.No, floor mat. As in one continuous mat from door to door, front to back. The perfect car for open containers.
It had belonged to Frank Ellis an older local shopkeeper back in the day. The car was originally sold at Bell Motor Company. He probably special ordered it because he was too cheap to pay for carpet. That's an added expense for luxury, just like A/C.