Catholic Preists

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
AMP said:
I meant Paul has nothing to do with the immediate discussion. I struggle with my Catholic faith because of just such issues - Purgatory, veneration of Mary, celibacy, indulgences, etc.

Much agreement on your last statements about agreements! :wink:
See I think Paul is where the Catholics get the idea that priests should not marry, "<sup id="en-NASB-28489">1</sup>Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman." The funny thing is that Catholics consider the Pope as the heir of Pete and Peter was married.

Miss your participation at IJS.
 

AMP

Jersey attitude.
2ndAmendment said:
See I think Paul is where the Catholics get the idea that priests should not marry, "<sup id="en-NASB-28489">1</sup>Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman." The funny thing is that Catholics consider the Pope as the heir of Pete and Peter was married.

Miss your participation at IJS.


Well, like most societies, the early CHurch had its extremists. ANd yes, in reaction to pagan sexual practices and in response to Paul, these extremists said celibacy was best. Unfortunately, it caught on. And many Catholics are not well versed on the doings of early Popes and bishops, who were responsible for giving life to the dogma that has gathered over the centuries.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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AMP said:
I do not think letting priests marry will cut down on instances of pedophilia. I also don;'t think taking holy orders begets homosexuality.
Agree and agree.

Why would anyone think that letting priests marry would prevent some of them from being pedophiles? One thing has nothing to do with the other. :confused:
 

somdcrab

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vraiblonde said:
Agree and agree.

Why would anyone think that letting priests marry would prevent some of them from being pedophiles? One thing has nothing to do with the other. :confused:


pedophilia doesnt discriminate look @ michael jackson
 

AMP

Jersey attitude.
vraiblonde said:
Agree and agree.

Why would anyone think that letting priests marry would prevent some of them from being pedophiles? One thing has nothing to do with the other. :confused:

Well, that was the original question for discussion. :shrug:
 

vraiblonde

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AMP said:
Well, that was the original question for discussion.
That's why I'm wondering why anyone would think that.

BD, what were the reasons your co-workers gave for thinking letting priests marry would cut down on pedophile incidents?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
AMP said:
Well, that was the original question for discussion. :shrug:
:yeahthat:

That was also the reason for my comment on hearing of pedophilia in other regions of the world. That was also part of the original posed question.
 

Hot N Bothered

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I don't think allowing priest to marry will have anything to do with reducing pedophilia. I think pedophiles will seek out any profession or organization that will allow them access to children. The priesthood is one of those professions.

I DO believe that within the next decade, we will see married priests in the Catholic Church. I think they are hurting for recruits and they need to open up the applicant pool.
 

SamSpade

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vraiblonde said:
Agree and agree.

Why would anyone think that letting priests marry would prevent some of them from being pedophiles? One thing has nothing to do with the other. :confused:
Yes, and no. NO, letting a pedophile marry would not stop them from being a pedophile. Letting priests marry *might* change the pool of applicants for priesthood - something you suggested earlier. Also, much of what is termed 'pedophilia' with regard to priests would better be termed 'statutory rape' because a good deal of it is with teenage boys, and some of it consensual.

If you draw applicants from the general population, it just stands to reason your probability of men who like to do it with teenage boys will go down - the likelihood is currently higher among priests than the average population.
 

vraiblonde

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Hot N Bothered said:
I think pedophiles will seek out any profession or organization that will allow them access to children.
I say let the church retain their pedophiles. Keeps 'em off the Boy Scouts. :yay:
 

Dymphna

Loyalty, Friendship, Love
Hot N Bothered said:
A lot of Scout troops are sponsored by churches. :shrug:
:yeahthat: The Catholic Church here in Mechanicsville sponsors the local Boy Scout troop.

As far as priests being pedophiles, I think there are a number of things that lead to there being more among priests then in the general population. For one thing, the Catholic Church (and churches in general) have very rigid rules about sexual behavior. Anyone who deviates from the norm is considered evil. But, good devout Catholics have a solution, give up sex of ALL kinds and become a priest or a nun. This is considered a perfect solution for homosexuals as well as pedophiles (I am NOT saying they are one and the same) In fact, homosexuals who choose the priesthood are highly respected by the most devout of Catholics. The feeling is, these men subverted their "unnatural" urges and redirected their energies to a more positive area. Other denominations, who don't require celabacy don't have that option, because even a minister is expected to be married.

The problem with pedophiles is, by definition, they are incapable of supressing their deviant urges. And because the Church is about forgiveness, all the offending priest has to do is admit his sin and swear never to do it again and they are given a second chance. Many of these offenders are sincere in trying to behave themselves, but they often fail. The main problem is when the Church forgives them again and again, without ever making them truly repent and face the consequences of their actions. THAT should be their penance, not a bunch of Hail Marys and a relocation.

When my brother was 13 and going through the process of confirmation in the Catholic Church, they required a service project. (This was long before it was required in school) So, a bunch of boys, including my brother, got together to do some planting and other manual labor around the church, under the supervision of a junior priest. Well, after a couple of hours, this priest decides they've had enough and load all the boys into his car and head to the Farmer's Market to hang out and look around. I think he bought them ice cream and sodas. We all thought this was a little wierd, but didn't make a big deal of it. We figured that as a young priest, he wanted to score points with the younger parishioners. It didn't occur to us that he just wanted to score. :ohwell: He was transferred shortly after that, without notice. Just *poof* and he was gone. Several months later he was arrested and defrocked for child molestation. It was revealed at that time, that it wasn't the first time he was arrested. :twitch:
 

Triggerfish

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alex said:
Actually there are some married priests in the Catholic church. Mainly they were priests in the Episcopal church who converted. Since they were already married they were allowed to stay that way. But if their spouse dies they can not remarry. ".

There also some other exceptions.
Some of the Catholic priests are "Eastern" rite as opposed to "Latin" rite which make the majority of the Catholic church. Eastern rite Catholics practice Christianity like an Eastern Orthodox Christian but recognizes the Pope not one of the Patriarchs of the Orthodox faith. Not something the average American Catholic knows about.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Dymphna said:
As far as priests being pedophiles, I think there are a number of things that lead to there being more among priests then in the general population.
I disagree about there being more pedophiles among preists than in the general population. Just check out the sexual offenders listed online and you will find many more than in the ranks of the preisthood.
 

Makavide

Not too talkative
A little history

Back in the old days, when the upper class had a few sons, the 3rd or 4th son was required to join the priesthood - mainly because by the time he reached his majority there wasn't much left in the family for his inheritance or what not. So the youngest would join the piesthood and the family might give him a little land and build him a church to get him started. It was concsidered a "proper" way for the youngest to earn a living. At that time priest were allowed to marry. The Catholic church's problem was that when the married priest died, the land and church was passed on to the children so the Catholic church was "losing" money. The way to fix it, outlaw married priests. Now when the priest died, the land, the church and all that went with it would become the property of Rome.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
I disagree about there being more pedophiles among preists than in the general population. Just check out the sexual offenders listed online and you will find many more than in the ranks of the preisthood.
I think the comments on this point mean that there exists a higher incidence of pedophilia than in the general population, because it's ridiculous statistically to suggest that a tiny fraction of the population (Catholic priests) have a higher *number* of pedophiles than the entire population. I concur with this observation.

The logical inference is that there is either something peculiar about 'being' a priest, or as I suspect, something unusual about the universe of persons who become priests.

This isn't to cast aspersions on the Catholic priesthood. We're talking about statistical outliers here - stuff way out beyond 3 standard deviations. If the percentage of pedophiles in the general population is something like 0.1%, and among priests as say, 0.3%, it's significant, but doesn't really say anything bad about priests - only that there's *some* as yet unidentified correlation between them. We're dealing with fractions here.

There's some correlation that accounts for it, but I don't know what it is. Mixing up the universe of priests would likely change that.
 

Triggerfish

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Bustem' Down said:
I disagree about there being more pedophiles among preists than in the general population. Just check out the sexual offenders listed online and you will find many more than in the ranks of the preisthood.

No offense but it's starting to bother me.....

it's prIEst not prEIst.
 

Triggerfish

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vraiblonde said:
Catholics tend to make up the rules as they go along. Immaculate Conception, Purgatory.... :shrug:

Considering most non- Eastern Orthodox churches broke away from the Catholic church they made things up too.
 
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