Catholicism and Abortion.

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Friggin TWITARD, when the first amendment was written, they didnt have computers/TV Newscasts and Radio stations, does that mean they arent covered either? go back to your liberal sh!thole, your not welcome here

My newest red karma.. some 8 year old called me a liberal..

he don't know me very well now do he??

Freedom of expression, and the freedom of speech and the press have very little to do with a weapon that can kill a 100 people in a matter of seconds. How would you like it if you knew JPC was Armed with a mini gun instead of a spray can.. apparently he can't differentiate right from wrong, so how would he choose.. spray can, mini gun??
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
kingpl2 said:
Even the Bible itself says it is not the Whole truth
The only passage that even remotely comes close to your claim is:
1 Corinthians 13:9-12
9For we know in part and we prophesy in part;

10but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

11When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.

12For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
And this passage cannot be construed to say that the Bible says it is not the Truth. Nor does it say or imply that Truth will come from some other book or from some man. What is does say is that we look at things through human eyes and do not see the perfection of God, but that when Jesus comes, we will see in perfection.
 

forever jewel

Green Eyed Lady
K-T7 said:
BIG difference he has already experienced life..a fetus has no idea of life outside the womb!!! They dont even breath until they are born!!!..BIG DIFFERENCE.......their is no "LIFE" before your baby is born!

I'd have to disagree. Where would you draw the line and define where "life" starts? With your definition, life begins when the baby takes its first breath. So, does this mean that up until the time a woman goes into labor, the baby is not considered a living being. I may not be an independent living being, but is still a dependent living being.

However, I can't say that I've been put in this particular situation, so I will not judge anyone who has or will get an abortion. Its their right.

JMHO.
 
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bdh802

Bob
forever jewel said:
I'd have to disagree. Where would you draw the line and define where "life" starts? With your definition, life begins when the baby takes its first breath. So, does this mean that up until the time a woman goes into labor, the baby is not considered a living being. I may not be an independent living being, but is still a dependent living being.

However, I can't say that I've been put in this particular situation, so I will not judge anyone who has or will get an abortion. Its their right.

JMHO.

Wow, I was blown away by kt7s remark. These babies are real people. Just because they haven't experienced life outside the womb, doesn't make them less of a person. It's how we all started and I'm glad my parents didn't have this warped mentality and wanted to get rid of me instead of commiting to me. How can anyone justify killing a person to be? This baby can't defend his/herself and can't tell us "Please don't kill me, I want to be born and experience life just like you did." If you want to grow up and kill yourself, then that's your decision but why kill a baby? Damn, I'm glad my parents weren't screwed up like that!

As an added note or two.....If you are raped and really can't deal with the baby, then you need make a big decision. I would suggest you have the baby and adopt it out. There are so many couples out their trying to find a newborn to call their own.
If you think your kid is going to be born a little defective, consider my experiences. I know of several kids born with Down's syndrome and Autism. It's a lot of work for the parents but they do love their kids unconditionally. When I am around these kids, I go out of my way to make them happyand make them laugh and smile. It's really rewarding. They may be different but they do experience emotions and do enjoy life. Don't be selfish!
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
bdh802 said:
Wow, I was blown away by kt7s remark. These babies are real people. Just because they haven't experienced life outside the womb, doesn't make them less of a person. It's how we all started and I'm glad my parents didn't have this warped mentality and wanted to get rid of me instead of commiting to me. How can anyone justify killing a person to be? This baby can't defend his/herself and can't tell us "Please don't kill me, I want to be born and experience life just like you did." If you want to grow up and kill yourself, then that's your decision but why kill a baby? Damn, I'm glad my parents weren't screwed up like that!
And because these babies can't defend themselves, someone else should.. by killing abortion doctors, and bombing abortion clinics..

Maybe we should take it a step further.. take out the pharmacists that sell the Birth Control pills that prevent the egg in the womb from becomeing a baby.. or maybe bomb the Trojan factory.. how many babies have they prevented from taking a breath.

Anti-Abortion is almost as scary as other key words we hear today.. How many adults have been murdered trying to stop abortion? How many states have changed their laws because of these terrorist attacks on abortion clinics?? Terror is terros, whether it's in the name of Allah or anti-abortion..
 

dustin

UAIOE
Isn't it a shame that this whole issue of abortion is caused by the complexity and cost of adopting children in our country?
 

Sharon

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PREMO Member
K-T7 said:
you saying the horrid thing of "i wonder how many women would have an abortion if they new their baby felt pain".was uncalled for...

H.R.6099
Unborn Child Pain Awareness Act of 2006 (Introduced in House)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109W2E2WD:e8949:

Dr. Sunny Anand, Director of the Pain Neurobiology Laboratory at Arkansas Children's Hospital Research Institute, explained:

The human fetus possesses the ability to experience pain from 20 weeks of gestation, if not earlier, and the pain perceived by a fetus is possibly more intense than that perceived by term newborns or older children ... the highest density of pain receptors per square inch of skin in human development occurs in utero from 20 to 30 weeks gestation. During this period, the epidermis is still very thin, leaving nerve fibers closer to the surface of the skin than in older neonates and adults.

Congress even requires pain to be minimized for livestock which are slaughtered. How much more then should Congress seek to minimize the pain an unborn child feels when he or she is aborted?
http://www.cwalac.org/article_373.shtml
 

bdh802

Bob
itsbob said:
And because these babies can't defend themselves, someone else should.. by killing abortion doctors, and bombing abortion clinics..

Maybe we should take it a step further.. take out the pharmacists that sell the Birth Control pills that prevent the egg in the womb from becomeing a baby.. or maybe bomb the Trojan factory.. how many babies have they prevented from taking a breath.

Anti-Abortion is almost as scary as other key words we hear today.. How many adults have been murdered trying to stop abortion? How many states have changed their laws because of these terrorist attacks on abortion clinics?? Terror is terros, whether it's in the name of Allah or anti-abortion..

Uuummmm! Well......Killing abortion doctors and bombin' da clinics is wrong. That's killing too and the wrong way to solve this problem.

If birth control pills or rubbers are used, then you prevent a baby. Although, some don't agree we should use preventative measures, it does mean NO BABY. If you don't want kids, prevent it (if you can). No baby, no problem. If you are pregnant, there is a baby, a person, a life. That's where you need to draw the line. It should be common sense. To compare terrorism in the name of Allah to anti-abortionists is just plain stupid. What a stretch! What the heck does a stinky muslim wearing a sheet on his head have to do with a wonderful cute little new baby waiting to enter the world and LIVE?

What would you think if your Mom decided it's better to have NOBOB. Maybe that would have been her right. Aren't you glad your rights were protected?
ItsBob only exsists today because your parents were normal or couldn't legally discard you into the toilet.

I still can't figure out why this is an issue? If you don't want kids, do or don't do what you need to do. If you are pregnant, do the right thing. Abortion is only one option and it's definitely the wrong one.
 
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itsbob

I bowl overhand
bdh802 said:
Uuummmm! Well......Killing abortion doctors and bombin' da clinics is wrong. That's killing too and the wrong way to solve this problem.

If birth control pills or rubbers are used, then you prevent a baby. Although, some don't agree we should use preventative measures, it does mean NO BABY. If you don't want kids, prevent it (if you can). No baby, no problem. If you are pregnant, there is a baby, a person, a life. That's where you need to draw the line. It should be common sense. To compare terrorism in the name of Allah to anti-abortionists is just plain stupid. What a stretch! What the heck does a stinky muslim wearing a sheet on his head have to do with a wonderful cute little new baby waiting to enter the world and LIVE?
A bomb going off in Boston is just as deadly whether it be from a rabid anti abortionist or a raghead terrorist. It's not a stretch at all, both want to have things THEIR way, screw the law.. You don't agree with me, then you must die.. and both sides, the leaders aren't out there planting the bombs.. they find the weakminded, the not so stable, or the not so smart, and they sit back and watch the action.. free from conviction or guilet.. "ME, I didn't pull the trigger or plant the bomb!" There is NO difference other then what church they attend.
 

Sharon

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PREMO Member
http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/quiz.html

What Boston abortionist aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality,
and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?

What vocal Miami pro-abortionist murdered both of his roommates with an ax, and then called the killings "justifiable homicide" because the roommates had "complained about his sloppiness?" (Hint: This person also stabbed his abortionist mother in the neck with a steak knife).

What New York abortionist admitted to exposing himself to more than 700 women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?


http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/more.html
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Sharon said:
http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/quiz.html

What Boston abortionist aborted a living and viable baby boy, deliberately smothered him, was convicted of manslaughter but released on a technicality,
and was later rewarded by being given the post of Chairman of the Board of Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA)?

What vocal Miami pro-abortionist murdered both of his roommates with an ax, and then called the killings "justifiable homicide" because the roommates had "complained about his sloppiness?" (Hint: This person also stabbed his abortionist mother in the neck with a steak knife).

What New York abortionist admitted to exposing himself to more than 700 women and young girls, finally kidnapped and raped a six-year-old girl and spent seven years in prison for the crime, and was then welcomed back to his abortion practice with open arms by the State of New York?


http://www.prochoiceviolence.com/more.html
And who told them to do this?? Who preached to them that cleanliness was the devil incarnate.. kill your clean roommates? Who sat behind a pulpit and talked about the evil, the anguish, and God's will for that person to rape a 6 year old girl??

But almost EVERY abortion clinic murderer/ bomber can tell you where they were told to do what they did.. what church they went to, what God told them to do. And I don't recall ANY of them being Muslim, though I could be wrong.
 

FireBrand

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Clinic Bombers, Terrorist, Activist Whatever....
The point being missed here and the most distinctive differance is
that these people can make concious decisions and act them out being acts of right or wrong.
The unborn do not have a voice and cannot defend themselves.
 

kingpl2

New Member
Bustem' Down said:
While I'm for abortion, I agree with you there. The federal government should not have anything to do with the subject, but more apropriatly, the AMA should make an ethical ruling on the matter, which they refuse to, more than likely because of how the subject has become so political.
Do you really mean the federal government should not be involved. If so, then you believe the US Supreme Court (one one branch of the federal government) should not have issued the Roe Vs. Wade opinion as it did- which would mean abortion would still be illegal.
 
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