Child killed at daycare

[CandyRain]

What is the difference between a licensed and an unlicensed day care, other then the licensed having paid a fee to the state to run their daycare.. and in most cases being the much more expensive of the two?

There are NO guarantees when using either one.

And as far as having only the kids you can afford, well, I can honestly say I wouldn't have any if I waited for THAT day to come.

Don't blame the mother for choosing to send her children to an unlicensed daycare, apparently the person she hired wasn't the problem. Like I've said before, put the blame where the blame belongs.

Who hit the child?

Who killed the child?

Who is on the run?

There is nobody to blame but HIM, and he should be hunted and killed like the animal he is.

You can read the licensing requirements for a Virginia home day care here http://nrc.uchsc.edu/STATES/VA/va_4.htm#pgfId-104191 but specifically:

Article 2. Supervision.

5.7. Children shall be supervised by a caregiver at all times.

 

[BadGirl]

My point being, that the state would not have refused her a license.

Licensed or unlicensed, doesn't matter.

I'm not so sure about that. I doubt that they would have issued her a license with the husband's criminal background.

 

[itsbob]

That and we used to call "unlicensed Day Care Centers" Babysitters!!

 

[CandyRain]

That and we used to call "unlicensed Day Care Centers" Babysitters!!

We still do but typically a "babysitter" is someone you've chosen based on content of character to care for your precious little ones. And, a babysitter comes to YOUR home and follows YOUR rules and does not bring her POS boyfriend with her.

 

[itsbob]

You can read the licensing requirements for a Virginia home day care here http://nrc.uchsc.edu/STATES/VA/va_4.htm#pgfId-104191 but specifically:

Article 2. Supervision.

5.7. Children shall be supervised by a caregiver at all times.

My point is this, why does it matter that it was a licensed or unlicensed day care other then trying to make the mother somehow at fault, or a bad mother??

So what if it was unlicensed, I'm sure THOUSANDS every day use unlicensed providers.. oh the humanity.. without incident, and I'm sure if we look at the stats just as many bad things happen at licensed facilites as unlicensed.. wasn't the murderer at the firehouse a few months ago a mentally unstable individual and he was LIVING at a licensed day care provider..

I don't know how much the state checks into the other people at the house where the business is going to be conducted, and I'm ont sure they do much of a background check on the licensee other then "Answer Yes or No" on some form.

So the question is, would her seeking and getting a license and paying a fee to have a license made a difference?

And again, the provider is not to blame, she made a mistake, but she didn't hit nor did she kill the child. Among all the players in this there is only one killer.

 

[MDTerps]

I'm not so sure about that. I doubt that they would have issued her a license with the husband's criminal background.

I agree with this, I don't think she would have gotten a licenses either.

Licensed daycare providers are allowed to have a substitute under these rules:

A substitute shall:


(1) Be 18 years old or older;


(2) Be familiar with these regulations;


(3) Complete, sign, and submit to the offuce the required form for substitutes which includes permission to examine records of abuse and neglect of children and adults;


(4) If paid, apply for a federal and State criminal background check at a designated law enforcement office in the State; and


(5) Present no risk to the health, safety, or welfare of children.


D. If information received by the Office indicates that a substitute selected by the provider may present a risk to the health, safety, or welfare of children in care, the Office may disapprove the use of that substitute.


E. Before allowing a substitute to provide or to assist in providing care, the provider shall inform the substitute about matters pertinent to the health and safety of the children in care, which shall include but not be limited to:

 

[itsbob]

Effective July 1, 1996, family day homes serving six through 12 children, exclusive of the provider's own children and any children who reside in the home, shall be licensed. However, no family day home shall care for more than four children under the age of two, including the provider's own children and any children who reside in the home, unless the family day home is licensed or voluntarily registered. However, a family day home where the children in care are all grandchildren of the provider shall not be required to be licensed.



And maybe I'm wrong, but does this say she required a license to begin with??

 

[vraiblonde]

My point is this, why does it matter that it was a licensed or unlicensed day care other then trying to make the mother somehow at fault, or a bad mother??

I agree with you. This guy may have been the daycare babe's legal husband, but what about the daycare provider who has no criminal record, no legal husband, just a boyfriend with a history of pedophilia who comes and hangs around the kids all day?

You can't regulate everything and parents shouldn't feel secure just because their daycare person is licensed.

 

[chernmax]

The murderer looks like an Illegal...

 

[Dymphna]

What is the difference between a licensed and an unlicensed day care, other then the licensed having paid a fee to the state to run their daycare.. and in most cases being the much more expensive of the two?

There are NO guarantees when using either one.

And as far as having only the kids you can afford, well, I can honestly say I wouldn't have any if I waited for THAT day to come.

Don't blame the mother for choosing to send her children to an unlicensed daycare, apparently the person she hired wasn't the problem. Like I've said before, put the blame where the blame belongs.

Who hit the child?

Who killed the child?

Who is on the run?

There is nobody to blame but HIM, and he should be hunted and killed like the animal he is.

From the article:

According to court records from Prince William, Fauquier and Fairfax counties, Ahmad has a history of arrests for violent offenses that date to 2001, including assault and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

I can't speak for Virginia law, but in Maryland, this woman would never have been licensed because of the husband's record.

I've said it before and I will again.... if they aren't licensed, there's a reason for it.

In all fairness though, Virginia law doesn't require a license if there were less than 5 children there. In Maryland, all it takes is one unrelated.

 

[Dymphna]

My point being, that the state would not have refused her a license.

Licensed or unlicensed, doesn't matter.

The state of Maryland would. I know cases where they have.

 

[camily]

The murderer looks like an Illegal...

What exactly does an illegal look like? Couldn't they look like anyone, depending on where they're from?

 

[itsbob]

The state of Maryland would. I know cases where they have.

And we know of cases where they haven't.....

Nad my question was.. how deep do they check.

If you answer "NO" to any violent offenses or felonies involving children and you were the licensee I would say they probably check.. but when they ask.. "Anyone living with you..?" and you answer no, will they bother delving any deeper? Do they ask for names of those that live in the house with you?? I don't know, but I'm assuming they don't dig too deep, so unless you tell them, they won't know, and will issue you a license.

 

[Dymphna]

My point is this, why does it matter that it was a licensed or unlicensed day care other then trying to make the mother somehow at fault, or a bad mother??

So what if it was unlicensed, I'm sure THOUSANDS every day use unlicensed providers.. oh the humanity.. without incident, and I'm sure if we look at the stats just as many bad things happen at licensed facilites as unlicensed.. wasn't the murderer at the firehouse a few months ago a mentally unstable individual and he was LIVING at a licensed day care provider..

I don't know how much the state checks into the other people at the house where the business is going to be conducted, and I'm ont sure they do much of a background check on the licensee other then "Answer Yes or No" on some form.

So the question is, would her seeking and getting a license and paying a fee to have a license made a difference?

And again, the provider is not to blame, she made a mistake, but she didn't hit nor did she kill the child. Among all the players in this there is only one killer.

I agree that the child's mother isn't to blame. The daycare wasn't operating illegally because in Virginia, she wouldn't be required to have a license for only 3 children in care.

What appalls me is those parents that go to illegal care. Um, this person is breaking the law, possibly intentionally, maybe not, but you WANT to give them your child????

Don't dis licensed care, at least in Maryland. The rules are strict here, but this is exactly the kind of thing the rules are set to avoid. They DO do background checks, they DO do surprised visits, you have to have inspections for fire safety, general welfare and quality of water. They also require first aid and CPR, as well as some child care education (not much, but some) But in the end, if you are capable of providing basic care for the children, it's not THAT taxing or expensive.

BUT because child care providers get a bad rap a lot of people won't do it, so because the law limits the number of infants and bad press and bad impressions reduce the number of legal providers, new parents are begging for someone, anyone to watch their kids while they go back to work to support them.

 

[Dymphna]

And we know of cases where they haven't.....

Nad my question was.. how deep do they check.

If you answer "NO" to any violent offenses or felonies involving children and you were the licensee I would say they probably check.. but when they ask.. "Anyone living with you..?" and you answer no, will they bother delving any deeper? Do they ask for names of those that live in the house with you?? I don't know, but I'm assuming they don't dig too deep, so unless you tell them, they won't know, and will issue you a license.

People lie about who is in the home too. Criminals will always find a way around the law, but the law still weeds out those who won't make the effort to bypass it. I knew of a woman who hadn't been married long and had no idea that her husband had a violent criminal record. She couldn't get licensed. Another woman I know whose husband got into a bar fight once got her license, because his crime didn't involve chldren, but there was an express provision that the husband could never be left alone with a child.

 

[moon5leg]

And we know of cases where they haven't.....

Nad my question was.. how deep do they check.

If you answer "NO" to any violent offenses or felonies involving children and you were the licensee I would say they probably check.. but when they ask.. "Anyone living with you..?" and you answer no, will they bother delving any deeper? Do they ask for names of those that live in the house with you?? I don't know, but I'm assuming they don't dig too deep, so unless you tell them, they won't know, and will issue you a license.

Speaking as the emergency alternate for my wife's licensed daycare, we both had to get fingerprinted at the MD State Trooper Barracks, then a State Police and FBI background/criminal check was conducted and the daycare license wasn't issued until both checks came back clear.

 

[Dymphna]

And we know of cases where they haven't.....

Nad my question was.. how deep do they check.

If you answer "NO" to any violent offenses or felonies involving children and you were the licensee I would say they probably check.. but when they ask.. "Anyone living with you..?" and you answer no, will they bother delving any deeper? Do they ask for names of those that live in the house with you?? I don't know, but I'm assuming they don't dig too deep, so unless you tell them, they won't know, and will issue you a license.

sheesh, don't edit so much...

Again, I can only speak to Maryland law and this case happened in Virginia.

Anyone 18 or older in the home must be fingerprinted. The prints are checked against State and Federal records. If there is anyone in the home who committed a crime against a child, the license is denied. They also check names and social security numbers of all members of the household (of any age) against child protective service records in the State.

 

[chernmax]

What exactly does an illegal look like? Couldn't they look like anyone, depending on where they're from?

Him and Yes...

 

[BadGirl]

I have nothing but confidence in the abilities of my current daycare provider and the alternate that she priodically uses. I have the best daycare provider anywhere, and I am saddened that she'll soon be moving away.

 

[BadGirl]

Bob, stop being an argumentative d!ck.