Child support for your kids kids.

[whome20603]

I wonder how much less our taxes would be if we didn't have to support all these Families in need of assistance when they have intact immediate family members who have the wherewithal to provide that support in lieu of the government doing it?

What if family members don't have the wherewithal to provide support, particularly financial support?

 

[vraiblonde]

Here's something to think about:

Dad pays child support, and also has a say in how the kid is raised. He has parental rights and can get custody if he can convince a judge that he's the more fit parent.

So if grandparents pay child support, would they have these same rights? Because I'd go for that. My son skips out on DIL and the state comes after me for his CS, but I should be able to have say in the kid's life (because I'm paying for it) and be able to have a shot at custody if I'm not happy with the way DIL is raising the kid I'm paying for.

I might go for that.

 

[Pete]

What if family members don't have the wherewithal to provide support, particularly financial support?

There is a child support scale and a formula they use. Everyone can contribute something even if it is $10 a week.

I am not saying that all public assistance would end at all. What I am saying is everyone wants to coo-coo over "family" and "bond" and "blood" right up until it costs them something then all of a sudden "its not my responsibility".

 

[Pete]

Here's something to think about:

Dad pays child support, and also has a say in how the kid is raised. He has parental rights and can get custody if he can convince a judge that he's the more fit parent.

So if grandparents pay child support, would they have these same rights? Because I'd go for that. My son skips out on DIL and the state comes after me for his CS, but I should be able to have say in the kid's life (because I'm paying for it) and be able to have a shot at custody if I'm not happy with the way DIL is raising the kid I'm paying for.

I might go for that.

Sure, why not, however paying child support does not always equate to Parental Rights and Responsibilities. Some parents get "sole" custody and that does not cause child support to stop. I think many would be surprised just how little "say" non custodials have in reality.

 

[whome20603]

There is a child support scale and a formula they use. Everyone can contribute something even if it is $10 a week.

I am not saying that all public assistance would end at all. What I am saying is everyone wants to coo-coo over "family" and "bond" and "blood" right up until it costs them something then all of a sudden "its not my responsibility".

Is Che saying that the father of her childs parents should be paying child support?

 

[sanchezf]

Ah but IF they had been more motivated in teaching their kid values a little more knowing they were potentially at risk for being shafted if he/she creates a kid and skips on the support.

Well let me start off by saying that I am a single mom have been since day one and have never received a dime of child support or anything else.

The difference is that my parents taught me responsibility for my actions. I was the one who layed and ended up making a child knowing I wasn't married, etc, etc. So I sucked it up worked my ever loving butt off to make sure that my little boy has everything he needs and don't worry about the father, his parents or my parents being responsiblr for what I did..

 

[Pete]

Is Che saying that the father of her childs parents should be paying child support?

No not at all. That thread just got me thinking.

 

[Pete]

Well let me start off by saying that I am a single mom have been since day one and have never received a dime of child support or anything else.

The difference is that my parents taught me responsibility for my actions. I was the one who layed and ended up making a child knowing I wasn't married, etc, etc. So I sucked it up worked my ever loving butt off to make sure that my little boy has everything he needs and don't worry about the father, his parents or my parents being responsiblr for what I did..

Honorable certainly. However it is typically the guy who runs off and dodges child support and there are a TON of them not just the one in the other thread.

 

[whome20603]

No not at all. That thread just got me thinking.

I knew I smelled something burning

 

[sanchezf]

Honorable certainly. However it is typically the guy who runs off and dodges child support and there are a TON of them not just the one in the other thread.

I agree totally but some where you have to take responsibility for your own actions even when someone else was involved. Do what is right and move on. I have made it fine on my own. It was hard, very hard at first to get use to a new life style but I did what I had to do.

 

[Pete]

I knew I smelled something burning

Picture this:

Kid is playing on the floor of section 8 housing. Mom is on Tanf and WIC and food stamps. Deadbeat skipped town and is in arears $10K on $50 a week CS.

Mom hops on the bus and drops the kid off with Grandpa and Grandma who arrive at the McDonalds meeting spot in their Lincoln. They spend a glorious 2 days on the boat and going shopping.

Can you see the disconnect?

 

[jaie]

I have to agree with the most of the post. It's not the Grandparents fault that their kids didn't use a condom or the pill. I got pregnet at 20. I was too young for that but I sucked it up and I do the best that I can, while my ex husband pays little to no child support half the time. Sometime life isn't far and sometimes it because you made it that way, but no one else should pay for it.

 

[vraiblonde]

Picture this:

Kid is playing on the floor of section 8 housing. Mom is on Tanf and WIC and food stamps. Deadbeat skipped town and is in arears $10K on $50 a week CS.

Mom hops on the bus and drops the kid off with Grandpa and Grandma who arrive at the McDonalds meeting spot in their Lincoln. They spend a glorious 2 days on the boat and going shopping.

Can you see the disconnect?

Now picture this:

You disowned your son long ago because he just wouldn't get it together. Suddenly you get a summons that you are required to pay child support for his kid, that you had no idea even existed.

Then you meet the mother, who is a druggie whore living with her beau du jour.

How much money do you want to give her, knowing it will go toward her drug habit and her boyfriend's bottle of Jack?

 

[jetmonkey]

Is Che short for Cheese?

 

[Pete]

Now picture this:

You disowned your son long ago because he just wouldn't get it together. Suddenly you get a summons that you are required to pay child support for his kid, that you had no idea even existed.

Then you meet the mother, who is a druggie whore living with her beau du jour.

How much money do you want to give her, knowing it will go toward her drug habit and her boyfriend's bottle of Jack?

Welcome to the world of non custodial dads who write the check knowing it is going to go towards her clothes, her new boyfriend and booze at the club?

Lets make the rule now if the court reaches back it requires a custodial hearing. If the mother is in fact a druggie whore buying booze for her new boyfriend you can get custody of your grandchild from her and then collect support from her parents.

 

[Pete]

Is Che short for Cheese?

Or Cheeto, I am not sure.

 

[CalvertNewbie]

Oh, here's a great idea! If the DBD is in arrears, say over $2000 then MAYBE whatever alphabet soup agency is in charge of enforcement should go to the grandparents to track said deadbeat. If they refuse to cooperate then charge them aiding and abetting.

Laws are useless without enforcement and I'd rather see my tax money go towards active enforcement as opposed to public assistance.

I second that idea! I'm beyond tired of paying for everyone's poor choices in life. Although I don't feel that grandparents should be held financially responsible, I think they should be forced to cooperate with authorities. All means possible should be exhausted in order to find the loser who is breaking the law by not paying the court ordered support.

If I had a son (or daughter) who was a deadbeat and I knew where they were, you better believe that I'd help force them to accept responsibility for their actions. My son is only 12 weeks old so I have a long time until I have to worry about this crap, but he'll always know that he WILL pay if he plays. Neither my husband or I would help him run from his financial obligations. He'll be disowned by the entire extended family if he tries to pull that crap.

 

[Cowgirl]

Is Che short for Cheese?

Che is a fansy spelling of Shay.

 

[CalvertNewbie]

Why should the taxpayers be forced to financially support the child of a deadbeat when the immediate family has the means to do so?

Or let me phrase it this way; Why does it make people cringe at the thought of Johnny Deadbeats parents having part of their income confiscated by the government to pay for their grandchild, but you have no such revulsion to having a portion of a complete strangers income confiscated by the government to support someone else's child/grandchild?

Trust me, I don't think any of us should be paying to support other people's kids. Everyone should support their own, like my husband & I do, and like most of you on these forums probably do. If more of these losers would step up to the plate and pay for their own darn kids, a lot fewer people would be taking our hard earned money out of our pockets.

It's sad that I feel the need to commend the single parents who actually support their kids without using the welfare system. That's what everyone should be doing yet there are so many who don't even feel the need to get a damn job.

 

[vraiblonde]

Che is a fansy spelling of Shay.

Like Guevera.

Not that I care what people name their kids or anything.