Chopticon teacher on a week +++cruise???

[OldHillcrestGuy]

I guess if you are a female teacher and you want to start a family, about the time the school year starts you better open up the playground at home, so the baby is born in late June,July and early August so not to miss anytime from work.

 

[This_person]

you're wrong on the number 2

do you know any teachers?

I have 5 teachers in my family (three retired) and I have been a substitute teacher as have two of my cousins. I know very well how much time teachers put into their work aside from actual in class time.

Yes. I have subbed (years ago) for extra money. And, I have friends and co-workers spouses who are full time teachers.

I don't believe I'm wrong to think that their total hours per year does not come close to the 2080 of an average worker. And, you don't think you're wrong thinking it meets or exceeds that. This is where I believe we're able to respectfully disagree. Based upon the 2007/2008 calendar for teachers, the teacher would have to average just shy of 11 hours a day for each day they're in school to meet that amount (10.8+). I don't think teachers average that throughout the year. I think there are days they exceed it, and days they don't even come close, but I don't think they average that many. You do, and that's okay. We can respectfully disagree.

 

[terbear1225]

The teachers that I know don't want a "pity party" - they simply want people to get over the mistaken idea that teachers work less than other professionals.

 

[dawn]

This is sad

No, you are sad.

 

[Xaquin44]

Yes. I have subbed (years ago) for extra money. And, I have friends and co-workers spouses who are full time teachers.

I don't believe I'm wrong to think that their total hours per year does not come close to the 2080 of an average worker. And, you don't think you're wrong thinking it meets or exceeds that. This is where I believe we're able to respectfully disagree. Based upon the 2007/2008 calendar for teachers, the teacher would have to average just shy of 11 hours a day for each day they're in school to meet that amount (10.8+). I don't think teachers average that throughout the year. I think there are days they exceed it, and days they don't even come close, but I don't think they average that many. You do, and that's okay. We can respectfully disagree.

there in lies the problem. They don't only work the days that they literally step into the school building.

 

[toppick08]

there in lies the problem. They don't only work the days that they literally step into the school building.

Let 'em biatch to their Union.

 

[NoName]

Teachers really do get all the same days as students off. They never have to do planning and they never grade homework, classwork, tests, quizzes and papers in addition to teaching the actual class.

This is no different than Average Joe employee. He/she can and does work from home also

Nor do they have to prepare for parent teacher conferences or take continuing education courses.

Average Joe employee also has to plan for meetings seminars conferences, its no different

They certainly never have to attend or organize any of the schools extra curricular activities like plays, science fairs, sporting events or the like and they certainly never hold those events on weekends

Not sure but arent Teachers compensated for the extracurricular activities? I find it hard to believe the Teacher Union would allow Teachers being required to attend something outside of their normal hours, and not recieving compensation. If the Teacher VOLUNTEERS for it, thats different.

They also never have to be present for rehersals and practices or anything.

Same as above, the only difference is you wanting to extend sainthood upon an Adult who entered the field knowingly, for doing something the Average Joe employee does routinely.

The only thing i've posted is its not the slave labor treatment that people on here make it out to be.

Teachers get paid a fair wage (40k on average) - Average Joe employee Yes
Teachers get off all 10 Federal Holidays - Average Joe employee Yes
Teachers get a week Sick days- Average Joe employee Yes
In addition:
Teachers were off (and paid not using Vacation) extended time for Thanksgiving (off Wednesday Nov 21st return Monday the 26th) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid not using Vacation) all Smow days - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid not using Vacation) Christmas break (7 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid not using Vacation) Spring break (6 business days) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers get off (and paid not using Vacation) Summer break (45 business days or 9 weeks) - Average Joe employee No
Teachers salary is based on 1425 hours work (but may work more) - Average Joe employee salary is based on 2080 hours work (but may work more).

 

[Xaquin44]

You keep confusing 'not being in the building' with 'not working'

Perhaps you should head on back to school there noname.

 

[NoName]

You keep confusing 'not being in the building' with 'not working'

Perhaps you should head on back to school there noname.

Do you routinely have problems with comprehension? Try re-reading my post a couple of times maybe that will help

 

[mAlice]

You keep confusing 'not being in the building' with 'not working'

Perhaps you should head on back to school there noname.

You seem to be missing his point as well. Many people work from home on their time, travel to meetings, conferences, etc; on their time. Teachers are not unique. Many people go above and beyond, not just teachers.

 

[Xaquin44]

Teachers get 2 weeks during the year, every holiday during the year AND 2 months during the summer.... You think they work comparable to other professionals??

Well, lets see here .... I'm a professional. I don't have to deal with hundreds of children every day and then go home and grade their ####, so yes. I know they are comparable to other professionals.



edit: also, snow days are added on to the end of the year anyway, so enough of that.

 

[mAlice]

Well, lets see here .... I'm a professional. I don't have to deal with hundreds of children every day and then go home and grade their ####, so yes. I know they are comparable to other professionals.

Again, we choose our jobs. They didn't walk into the classroom and say "oh my, I didn't know their would be children".

The rest of the working world deals with their fair share of azzholes, too.

 

[Xaquin44]

Again, we choose our jobs. They didn't walk into the classroom and say "oh my, I didn't know their would be children".

The rest of the working world deals with their fair share of azzholes, too.

oh I know they chose their jobs. No debate there. I'm just saying they work as much as any professional regardless of what it looks like on paper.

 

[mAlice]

oh I know they chose their jobs. No debate there. I'm just saying they work as much as any professional regardless of what it looks like on paper.

And our point is we're tired of the pity party for a group of people who are doing pretty much the same thing as everybody else.

 

[NoName]

Teachers get 2 weeks during the year, every holiday during the year AND 2 months during the summer.... You think they work comparable to other professionals??

Well, lets see here .... I'm a professional. I don't have to deal with hundreds of children every day and then go home and grade their ####, so yes. I know they are comparable to other professionals.



edit: also, snow days are added on to the end of the year anyway, so enough of that.

I believe smow days are only added to the end of the year if they go over the limit.

 

[Xaquin44]

And our point is we're tired of the pity party for a group of people who are doing pretty much the same thing as everybody else.

what pity party?

this thread only exists because of some crybaby who doesn't think teachers need vacation time.

 

[NoName]

oh I know they chose their jobs. No debate there. I'm just saying they work as much as any professional regardless of what it looks like on paper.

Thats not valid, they may work as much overtime as any professional, but the yearly hours start out 635 hours less than other profession, its not a true one to one comparison

 

[Xaquin44]

Thats not valid, they may work as much overtime as any professional, but the yearly hours start out 635 hours less than other profession, its not a true one to one comparison

why are you comparing overtimes?

there is no such thing as no overtime for a teacher (well unless they want to be fired).

The amount of overtime easily brings them up to par.

 

[Xaquin44]

No you are the flipping idiot!

I didn't call anyone that, so saying 'no, you' really doesn't apply ....

 

[NoName]

why are you comparing overtimes?

there is no such thing as no overtime for a teacher (well unless they want to be fired).

The amount of overtime easily brings them up to par.

Ahh, obviously you didnt have one of your relatives teach you vocabulary, and that is causing you a problem:

Salary
Main Entry: sal·a·ry
Pronunciation: \ˈsal-rē, ˈsa-lə-\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural sal·a·ries
Etymology: Middle English salarie, from Anglo-French, from Latin salarium pension, salary, from neuter of salarius of salt, from sal salt — more at salt
Date: 13th century
: fixed compensation paid regularly for services
— sal·a·ried \-rēd\ adjective

There is no such thing as overtime for the Average Joe employee that draws a SALARY either.
So the amount of Overtime a Teacher works, is equal to the amount of overtime Average Joe employee works (some non-teacher sychophants would see it as being part of the job).

The difference is the Teacher starts out working 635 hours less.