Church in your Youth
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Ernie
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Growing up, my parents made us go to church. The church bus would come around and pick us up and bring us back home. Dad would stay home and watch the Tarzan movies on channel 20. I wanted to stay home and watch TV as well but was forced to go. I continued to go and stopped while in college. Few years afterward, I got married and had kids and wanted them to go to church so I go with them to set the example.
camily
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Fttrs, about the speaking in tongues, my pastor told us that unless there is someone to translate the tongues it isn't real. I'll have to ask him the specific verse that he was referring but it says something like God will work through someone else and give them the translation evertyime tongues are used. Not everyone does it and to tell you the truth, it freaks me out. No one has ever done that in my church, ever.fttrsbeerwench said:Being from Kentucky, EVERYONE was southern Baptist... My dafd pulled us out of church because he suddenly developed a problem with either the tithing, or that my mom wasnt' home being his little servant.
When we moved here, my mom returned to Catholicism. Throughout middle school and high school I visited every church in SOMD. I have been freaked out by holy rollers and told I had no soul becuase I could not speak in tongues.
I was 15 when I found what I was looking for, and it's stayed with me faithfully since day one.
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baswm
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camily said:
My pastor said the same thing. A few people speak in tongues during the service and someone else gives the translation. It does freak someone out who does not know about the gift of tongues.
The Bible describes three different manifestations of speaking in tongues:
1-Evidential tongues-The initial evidence when someone is baptized in the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:1- 4;10:44-46;19:2-7.)
2-Intercessory tongues-the ability to pray in other tongues, or "In the Spirit" (1 Corinthians 14:14- 16; Ephesians 6:18;Jude 20) in order to pray beyond our limited human understanding , speak mysteries to God ( 1 Corinthians 14:2) and edify (build up) ourselves (1 Corinthians 14:4.)
3-The ministry gift of tongues, described in 1 Corinthians chapters 12 and 14, involves giving a message in tongues in a public worship service, which is to be interpreted (12:10).This is a powerful sign to unbelievers ( 14:22).This gift is only given in certain situations, as the Spirit wills. Therefore, not all Christians are used in this gift (12:30.)
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baswm
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camily said:
not at all.
Sorry, camily, but your pastor is not quite on base according to the Bible. The gift of tongues can be used as a prayer language between a person and God where the Holy Spirit uses the mouth of the person to utter words in prayer and praise to God; there is no need for translation when it is person to God. On occasion, tongues is used as an admonishment to the whole body, the church, then translation is needed. At times, people speaking in tongues will be heard in their own language; no translation needed.camily said:
Jesus said that people that believed in Him would have certain powers given to them as signs and tongues is one of them (Mark 16:17-18). Acts chapters 2, 10, & 19 talk about the disciples getting the gift of tongues on Pentecost and of others getting the gift of tongues as an outward sign of being empowered by the Holy Spirit living within them. Paul wrote about tongues in 1 Corinthians in chapters 12, 13, and 14.
All believers do not have the gift of tongues nor do they have to. Some churches, including the one I go to, emphasize tongues too much. There are other gifts that, as Paul writes, are more desirable.
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Good explanation. I should have read down further before posting. The only part I see left out is where someone will speak in tongues and others will hear in their own language (Acts 2:1-13).baswm said:
The Baptist minister that married us, who did not speak in tongues, told me that he went on a missionary trip to Russia before he was ordained. He was left on a street corner and his interpreter didn't show up, so he just started preaching the word. He said that lots of people gathered around and were listening. He told me that one of the Russians said to him, "Finally, they send us someone who speaks Russian." He didn't; he thought he was speaking in English. God uses us as HE pleases; it not up to us, minister or not, to limit Him.
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baswm
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The people are the Church, not the building.
True. The believers in Christ are His body on earth, the Church. A building or a denomination is just a church.baswm said:
wxtornado
The Other White Meat
Baptist, 4 times a week, vacation bible school, revivals, the whole enchalada. I was once a Christian and did not find fulfillment at all. I found I was lying to myself. I found that I experienced nothing that wasn't casually explained by simple human interactions.
The best I can do is absorb the informaiton that's out there, and come to the best conclusion I can using the most consistent process available to me. When I total up all the factors towards belief or not, I come to the conclusion that the theistic worldview has such intrinsic flaws and self-contradictions that it is false.
It's not only those flaws and self-contradictions that lead me to the conclusion-- the conclusion incorporates a host of other, converging informational resources that combined lead me to not accept the theistic worldview (as a whole) as true, and the Christian wordlview in particular is rejectable.
Am I right in this conclusion? Well, plenty of people say I am not, and I'm arrogant and so on. But to cross onto the other side would force me to conclude that all the evidence I can see to the contrary of the theist's belief needs to simply be ignored. Doing that is dishonesty to myself, and I cannot rationalize a life well lived with a viewpoint that I cannot deny is dishonest.
The best I can do is absorb the informaiton that's out there, and come to the best conclusion I can using the most consistent process available to me. When I total up all the factors towards belief or not, I come to the conclusion that the theistic worldview has such intrinsic flaws and self-contradictions that it is false.
It's not only those flaws and self-contradictions that lead me to the conclusion-- the conclusion incorporates a host of other, converging informational resources that combined lead me to not accept the theistic worldview (as a whole) as true, and the Christian wordlview in particular is rejectable.
Am I right in this conclusion? Well, plenty of people say I am not, and I'm arrogant and so on. But to cross onto the other side would force me to conclude that all the evidence I can see to the contrary of the theist's belief needs to simply be ignored. Doing that is dishonesty to myself, and I cannot rationalize a life well lived with a viewpoint that I cannot deny is dishonest.
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
When I was a kid, my family went to a Lutheran church for a while. One day after Sunday school, I came back to the regular service and found a guest preacher talking about Job or about the persecution of early Christians, I can't remember which. He had two kids standing next to him. He talked about how his enemies put his son's eye out, and had the boy cover his eye with his hand. And then he said his enemies cut out his daughter's tongue, and had the girl cover her mouth with her hand. I was thinking, "Is this what religion is about? Child mutilation? What if someone wants to cut out my eye or chop out my tongue?"
