Cigarette price and quitting...

Too high?

  • $5 a pack (that's coming next week)

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • $8 (that's double now)

    Votes: 5 16.7%
  • $10

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $12.50

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • $15 and up, I'll pay whatever price

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • I'll buy them illegally

    Votes: 9 30.0%
  • I'll roll my own

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • Total voters
    30
  • Poll closed .
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Toreadoralpha

Guest
Increasing Cigarette Taxes by 120% ($1 per pack plus the 20% sales tax hike)

Create Smugglers
Lower revenue for Maryland, increase for Virginia
Penalize small business by diverting customers to another state
Hurt the poor by adding a regressive tax
Help Criminals and Terrorists

Sounds like a fine Democrat plan as always.
 
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oldman

Lobster Land
I'm going to buy and smoke them as long as I can afford them. My coming COLA increase covers this new tax. Sad part is it used to be a pay increase meant one had more money in ones pocket, and it still does, except it just doesn't stay there nearly as long as it used to.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
Increasing Cigarette Taxes by 120% ($1 per pack plus the 20% sales tax hike)

Create Smugglers
Lower revenue for Maryland, increase for Virginia
Penalize small business by diverting customers to another state
Hurt the poor by adding a regressive tax
Help Criminals and Terrorists

Sounds like a fine Democrat plan as always.

Exactly what happened to NY Mom and Pop's when NYC raised the taxed something like $5 a pack ....... suddenly people were not coming in to by smokes, so no chips and sodas, so sales dropped off and from the news stories I heard - lots of small quickie marts closed up
 

Chain729

CageKicker Extraordinaire
Exactly what happened to NY Mom and Pop's when NYC raised the taxed something like $5 a pack ....... suddenly people were not coming in to by smokes, so no chips and sodas, so sales dropped off and from the news stories I heard - lots of small quickie marts closed up

When I went to NYC a few back, I forgot my smokes in the car which happened to be in an underground garage across the city. :doh: I about fainted when they told me it was 8 bucks and change for A pack and a small Bic lighter.
 

tiltedangel

New Member
maybe all the non smokers will like it when the price goes up.....but when it does and people stop buying them....uhoh! then they are not making they money they state they need from the tax sooooooo.....i guess they will have to tax something else instead....not to mention all the tempers that will be flying because of nicotine withdrawal! whoa! could get nasty! beware non smokers! they will have to tax something you might need!
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
maybe all the non smokers will like it when the price goes up.....but when it does and people stop buying them....uhoh! then they are not making they money they state they need from the tax sooooooo....

Oregon wants to do something like that, since Gov mandated fuel efficient cars are cutting into gasoline taxes @ the pump, the Or state Gov. wants to put GPS trackers in cars to tax you on miles driven, to make up the difference

so you pull up to the pump, your GPS Tracker exchanges data on miles driven and your tax per gallon is adj to a state minimum for taxation ....... :yikes:

Driving While Intaxicated

"What we're trying to do is find a replacement for the gas tax," said Jim Whitty, administrator of the state's Road User Fee Task Force. The tax, currently 24 cents per gallon, generates about 70 percent of the total budget for building and maintaining roads in Oregon.

However, the tax rate hasn't changed since 1991, and the more fuel-efficient cars on the highways are sucking down far less fuel. The result, according to Whitty, is that tax income hasn't been able to keep pace with inflation, or with the need for additional road repairs due to increased traffic.

The traditional solution has simply been to raise the tax rate, but that approach is always unpopular with voters. Instead, the state created Whitty's task force in November 2001 with the mandate of studying a variety of alternative sources of income. The leading candidates use electronic boxes in cars to scrutinize driving habits.


The Seattle Times: Local News: Oregon to test mileage tax as replacement for gas tax


Wireless: Oregon Road Tax Pilot Tests Alternative to Gas Tax
Edward Cone

With gasoline prices high and likely to stay that way, fuel efficiency is chic again for the first time since the heyday of disco. But the trend toward hybrid cars and other abstemious vehicles poses a problem for states that derive much of their road maintenance and construction budgets from gas taxes. Lower gas consumption means less tax revenue, and the high prices at the pump also make increasing the per-gallon tax rate politically unfeasible.

What's a revenue-hungry state to do? Charge by the mile instead of the gallon.

In Oregon, one solution now being tested by the Department of Transportation's Office of Innovative Partnerships and Alternative Funding is a mileage-monitoring system that would tax drivers by the distance they travel on state roads, rather than by the amount of fuel they consume. Using global-positioning satellites and wireless technology, the Oregon Road User Fee Pilot Project tracks vehicles in transit and then captures their mileage data when they stop to refuel; an onsite computer at gas stations calculates the distance tax and adds it to their fuel bill, deducting the state gas tax at the same time.

The tax rate for the test is 1.2 cents per mile; the goal is to achieve rough revenue parity with the amount generated by Oregon's gas tax, which is currently 24 cents per gallon and which accounted for 86 percent of funds used for road construction, maintenance, and repair in 2004. Worse, Oregon's gas tax has not kept pace with inflation in recent years, say state officials, and voters show little inclination to raise it.

Oregon started its test program in late March, and project manager Jim Whitty says broad implementation could begin soon if the trial run goes well. "We designed it so that it's ready to go if the pilot is successful," he says. The version being tested uses off-the-shelf GPS technology and simple connections to the electronic odometers common in newer cars. Oregon is spending about $3 million on the project, paid for with state and federal funds.

The system, which Whitty says would cost about $33 million to implement at Oregon's approximately 2,000 gas stations, would be applied only to new cars, which will increasingly have GPS receivers as standard equipment. It could charge different rates for travel in particular areas, or at certain times of day, in order to give drivers an incentive to avoid rush hours or high-maintenance roads. And the satellite tracking will count in-state mileage only, so that drivers won't be taxed for trips on roads the taxes don't support. "The borders of the state are determined by the GPS, so you don't have to build anything extra to make it work," says Whitty.

There is an undeniable Big Brotherish aspect to having the government count your mileage, but Whitty is well-practiced at answering the questions that inevitably arise when people first hear about the plan. For instance, the system does not track where a driver goes, just how far he or she has traveled. "It's not where they've been, but the number of miles in each zone," Whitty says. Since no location information is gathered, there is no threat to privacy, and because the radio transmitter that sends data from a car's electronic odometer to the receiver on a gas pump has a range of only a few feet, poaching of driver information is unlikely.

Still, admits Whitty, "People don't believe at first that it doesn't collect information on where you have been, that it doesn't follow you around. It's a hurdle, but people have grown more comfortable with it over time." He compares it to the EZ Pass toll system common in the northeastern U.S., which once aroused privacy fears but is now seen by millions of drivers as a commonplace convenience.

But in a world in which even President George Bush says the country is addicted to oil, isn't there a virtue in creating taxes that favor gas conservation? "People think the purpose of the gas tax is to advantage fuel-efficient vehicles, but it's meant to maintain the road system. It's not doing that. If you want the tax to accomplish other goals, you can do that, but it's purpose is to maintain the roads," says Whitty. "The per-mile tax rate is flat in the pilot for reasons of convenience, and people assume it would be in practice, but that's not necessarily so. What the eventual tax rate is will be a legislative issue. But it will be a huge battle, to decide, for instance, if it should be higher for an SUV."

A program similar to the Oregon mileage metering plan could be coming soon to a state near you. "It will happen somewhere," Whitty says. "Other states are all watching us, I've talked to dozens of them, and we've presented at national conferences. As the move toward fuel-efficient vehicles destroys funding for roads, or increased demand creates huge increases in gas prices, someone is going to reach the point of desperation on their gas tax and decide to use it."

Copyright © 2006 Ziff Davis Media Inc. All Rights Reserved. Originally appearing in CIO Insight.

ODOT plans to divide the pilot program’s 300 drivers into a control group that will pay the 24 cent a gallon state gas tax and second group will pay 10 cents a mile to drive during morning and evening rush hours and 0.4 cents a mile all other times for instate driving.
SNIP

ODOT insists it will disable the tracking function of the GPS technology during the pilot program. But once it is installed on a large number of vehicles, there is no guarantee the Legislature will not require the tracking function enabled -- particularly if lobbied by interest groups that could make money selling the data. If you have actually read any “Privacy Policy” you know you have no privacy.
If a commercial use doesn’t emerge for tracking data, it will certainly eventually be subpoenaed in civil and criminal court cases to try and fix blame in traffic accidents and track suspects in abduction cases.

Lawyers are already trying to subpoena credit card data and preferred customer card records in drunk driving cases in an effort to establish drinking habits. Motorists are trying to disable “black boxes” that record driving speeds, braking and other parameters now that it has become known the auto industry has been surreptitiously installing them in some motor vehicles.

Americans intrinsically understand that computerized data collection and aggregation are the tools of the modern police state. Although the police state was renamed the national security state after 9/11, the collection and compiling of information about individuals -- and the motives of people associated with it -- remain suspect. As they should.

Oh Nice a Commuter Tax and Big Brother is Watching You ? (on and it will all before our safety - Like Micro chipping People for the common good :barf: )............ :whistle:

:snacks:
 
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JustTheFax

On the Right Side.
Another tax, just what we need. How would they subtract the distance traveled in another State or if you fill up in another state several times and then back in your home state.

Seems like a bad idea to me.
 
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Mousebaby

Guest
My mother is one of those die hard smokers. She had a pulmonary embolism and was standing out in the January cold in her hospital gown with her IV pole and smoking. Can you say :doh:

I swear I sometimes wonder about people :shrug:
 

bcp

In My Opinion
I never thought about this before a post above.
if there is a 2 dollar per pack tax on cigarettes, and that price is added in to the counter price, do you pay tax on the tax?

example the price of the cigarettes is 4 dollars, 2 dollars is tax.
you run it through the register would the price be 4.24 or would the tax not be taxed, or are cigarettes an item that does not get further tax at the checkout?

I never actually noticed when I bought them
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
The Tobacco companies and the State knows they have the smokers by the *alls


So they will keep jumping up the price all the time

then ask the tobacco companies behind closed doors to add more nicotine, make them MORE addicting.. before they jump the pirces up again, and ##### about big tobacco to the masses..

I quit the first time back in the 80's when i got back from Germany and had to pay more then $.40 a pack.. >$4.00 a carton seemed to high..
 

Chain729

CageKicker Extraordinaire
I never thought about this before a post above.
if there is a 2 dollar per pack tax on cigarettes, and that price is added in to the counter price, do you pay tax on the tax?

example the price of the cigarettes is 4 dollars, 2 dollars is tax.
you run it through the register would the price be 4.24 or would the tax not be taxed, or are cigarettes an item that does not get further tax at the checkout?

I never actually noticed when I bought them

You do get taxed on the tax. That's why it's called a "piggy-back" tax.
 

JustTheFax

On the Right Side.
I never thought about this before a post above.
if there is a 2 dollar per pack tax on cigarettes, and that price is added in to the counter price, do you pay tax on the tax?

example the price of the cigarettes is 4 dollars, 2 dollars is tax.
you run it through the register would the price be 4.24 or would the tax not be taxed, or are cigarettes an item that does not get further tax at the checkout?

I never actually noticed when I bought them


The Excise tax is subject to sales tax.

The excise tax is $1.00 now Jan 3 it goes to $2.00 and the Sales tax goes from 5% to 6% so the price will go from

$3.45 + $1.00 excise tax = $4.45 + sales tax @ 5% (23¢) = $4.68

$3.45 + $2.00 excise tax = $5.45 + 6% sales tax 33¢ = $5.78
 
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Mousebaby

Guest
The Excise tax is subject to sales tax.

The excise tax is $1.00 now Jan 3 it goes to $2.00 and the Sales tax goes from 5% to 6% so the price will go from

$3.45 + $1.00 excise tax = $4.45 + sales tax @ 5% (23¢) = $4.68

$3.45 + $2.00 excise tax = $5.45 + 6% sales tax 33¢ = $5.78

:faint: Screw that! I got better things to spend my money on!!

OH wait, I don't smoke anymore, that's cool! :biggrin:
 

bcp

In My Opinion
:faint: Screw that! I got better things to spend my money on!!

OH wait, I don't smoke anymore, that's cool! :biggrin:
I dont smoke anymore either, but it is certainly not cool.

what happens when they decide to overtax beer, or sodas or chips etc...

hopefully the republican led lawsuit against the administration for their backdoor approach at passing these taxes will prove to be productive.
 

cwo_ghwebb

No Use for Donk Twits
I dont smoke anymore either, but it is certainly not cool.

what happens when they decide to overtax beer, or sodas or chips etc...

hopefully the republican led lawsuit against the administration for their backdoor approach at passing these taxes will prove to be productive.

To Socialists, taxation is just control of social behavior, it has nothing to do with raising revenue. They'll just cave in to the next Special Interest group formed, like they did MADD, and tax the heck outta whatever reform that group wants. Just wait til they want to tax sex!
 

JustTheFax

On the Right Side.
I don't smoke. I do not approve of this tax hike.

It will do several things, people who are addicted will continue to buy and will have less money for other things.

Some will quit. Some will buy in another state.

The revenue will not go up as much as they want so they will just raise the tax on something else.

Look out Maryland the Socialist Party is in charge in Annapolis and they will not be happy till they take everything you have.

Vote smart vote Republican.
 

bcp

In My Opinion
To Socialists, taxation is just control of social behavior, it has nothing to do with raising revenue. They'll just cave in to the next Special Interest group formed, like they did MADD, and tax the heck outta whatever reform that group wants. Just wait til they want to tax sex!

Im 50 bald fat and married. I doubt that a sex tax is going to deplete my twinkie stash.
 

tomchamp

New Member
To Socialists, taxation is just control of social behavior, it has nothing to do with raising revenue. They'll just cave in to the next Special Interest group formed, like they did MADD, and tax the heck outta whatever reform that group wants. Just wait til they want to tax sex!

Wow, a brain!
 
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