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Thanks for fact checking that Ken. I didn't think Bustem's statements were correct.
SamSpade said:
Katrina hits the Golf Coast and the poor response and coordination of FEMA is very evident. Head of FEMA, Mr. Brown is taking alot of heat. When the President arrives he congratulates Mr. Brown on a wonderful job and later demotes him.. <---
Come to find out Mr. Brown hasn't had no experience managing people except for horses.. 
and lied on his Resume.. (naughty boy 
)..The 911 Commission found no link between Saddam and Bin Laden or Al Queda. But to drum up support he stated there was.. (what a nutt
). Mr. President bashes Intelligence Agency and suggests reform. Hmmm.. let me see..
No WMD found in Iraq... But didn't the President state over and over again.. Iraq has WMD?.. 
Lets all dance to the drum of support... 
Mr. President.. the American people are concerned about the high gas prices in the US. The President says and I quote, "Only drive to places deemed necessary".. Well, dayum Mr. President I'm not Miss Daisy I don't take Sunday drives along the country side. Like I drive somewhere thats not important..
In closing, as CEO's of Big Oil stand to make record profits this coming winter. The President will retreat to Camp David and once again and ignore
the american people's frustration of higher heating bills. With people resigning, high gas prices, the Iraq War alot of people are now understanding that the Bush Adiminstration is a disgrace and a joke. And I will sit back and watch the steady stupidity. 
Bustem' Down
Give Peas a Chance
That's all I could find when I looked it up.Pete said:
Utterly false. In fact, it *confirmed* it. What it DID declare was there was no link between Saddam and the 9-11 attacks - which no one in the administration claims to be otherwise.CK-1 said:
Did you *READ* it? It's pretty easy reading.
Didn't the *UN* say, there were WMD's in Iraq? You know, the very reason they were there, inspecting in the first place? They personally oversaw the destruction of a LOT of WMD's. And at the time the inspectors were ejected, he still had stockpiles unaccounted for - that the UN inspectors already knew about. What happened to *THEM*? It was considered sufficiently dangerous in 1998, that the entire Democratic Party was clamoring for war - something they didn't disagree with up until 2003.
Gas prices spiked right after Katrina - and have re-settled again.
This may come as a surprise to you, but the President has neither the ability - nor the *RIGHT* - to establish gas prices anymore than he has the right to set the prices of *groceries*. If he did, we wouldn't be in a free country at all.
SamSpade said:
The last time I checked. the 911 Attacks where assoicated with Bin L.
Didn't the *UN* say said:The spectors found no evidence of WMD in Iraq period. Even when Iraq was invaded no WMD was found. Your relying on data from the 90's..
Gas prices spiked right after Katrina - and have re-settled again. This may come as a surprise to you said:Sorry. but if your President and you see the American people frustrated because of high gas prices (he same people who voted this fool in) you should do something about it. Meet with the CEO of Big Oil.. The Oil Cartel in the dessert. You ever wondered why gas prices go up higher faster and come down lower slower?..
slotted
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vraiblonde said:FALN is a Puerto Rican terrorists group that was responsible for 130-some-odd bombings in the US. Clinton offered clemency to 16 of them on the condition that they renounce violence
Was anyone harmed/killed in any of the bombings?
Did they renounce violence? Are they still living as free men?
Really? Proof? I've never seen or heard any. Again, what the 9/11 Commission confirmed was huge connections between al-Qaeda, Saddam and bin Laden. There was no direct link between 9-11 and Iraq - and has never been purported. It has always been maintained that our fight against terrorism is the fight in Iraq - and that much is true.CK-1 said:
If I thought the administration was ever trying to blame Iraq for 9-11 - I would totally change my outlook. It has NOT done that, but people who criticize the administration continue to bring this faulty premise to their arguments......it's actually a good indicator of who they've been listening to.
Only in part. The inspectors have been there since June 1991 - and began to oversee the dismantling of WMD's and missile systems for the next several years. The following year, Iraq discloses that it has stockpiles of chemical weapons and missiles - but claims to have already destroyed them, in violation of their agreement. In each of the next three years, Iraq alternately will prohibit inspections, fire at planes, and boast about biological and nuclear weapons programs - all of which are confirmed by Israeli intelligence. UNSCOM inspectors find all kinds of stuff over the next several years - gyroscopes purchase from Russia for weapons systems, missiles HIDDEN under water in the Tigris. They discover illegal missiles and missile parts in the mid-90's, but Iraq refuses to allow them to remove them. Iraq interferes with them, halting the progress of inspection until they have time to remove all evidence.
Bear in mind - the same kinds of teams were simultaneously inspecting sites in places like Ukraine - at their INVITATION - because they wanted to comply - they *wanted* to be declared a non-nuclear state. They were complying. In contrast, Iraq, as a result of a WAR, was continually hindering these inspections.
By the late 90's, UNSCOM had uncovered evidence that Iraq possessed *thousands* of these WMD's - that were still unaccounted for.
Since this time - there have been discoveries of many of these weapons scattered across the country - from sarin gas to mustard gas - but no actual "stockpiles". They're all illegal, but they still haven't uncovered the voumes that had existed BEFORE THE WAR - and had been documented and seen. What has been found thus far would be sufficient for terrorists to kill a lot of people - we just haven't been able to find the weapons THAT DOCUMENTS AND INSPECTORS CLAIMED WERE THERE.
Yes, people were killed, injured, and maimed.slotted said:Was anyone harmed/killed in any of the bombings?
Did they renounce violence? Are they still living as free men?
Yes, some renounced violence and received clemency.
Yes, as far as I know those that were released are living as free men/women.
Google "FALN casualties" and you will come up with tons from their activity of the 70s and 80s. Here is a quick one from the FOP on the topic of granting clemency (they were obviously oppossed) http://www.grandlodgefop.org/legislation/testimony/990914_FALN.pdfslotted said:
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Slotted, what do you think they were in prison for - jaywalking? Shoplifting?slotted said:
slotted
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The bombings....vraiblonde said:Slotted, what do you think they were in prison for - jaywalking? Shoplifting?
Clinton claimed that no one was harmed in any of the bombings, hence the pardon. Sooooo, I was looking for any information that someone on here might have contradicting this.
By "directly responsible" do you mean that they either made the bomb, planted the bomb, set-off the bomb, financed the bombings, participated in the planning, or what? The link above gives the charges for the terrorists that Clinton gave clemency to and only two of those listed refused his offer.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I'm going to make two...
...assumptions:
1. You read the whole link.
2. You think they should be free.
That so?
slotted said:
...assumptions:
1. You read the whole link.
2. You think they should be free.
That so?
Otter
Nothing to see here
slotted said:
Armed Forces of Puerto Rican National Liberation
Fuerzas Armadas Liberacion Nacional Puertoriquena (FALN)
Popular Boricua Army
Ejercito Popular Boricua
Macheteros
Throughout the late 1970’s and mid-1980’s the Armed Forces of Puerto Rican National Liberation ("FALN" or in Spanish, Fuerzas Armadas Liberacion Nacional Puertoriquena) and the Popular Boricua Army (Ejercito Popular Boricua), commonly known as the Macheteros, claimed responsibility for numerous bombings and robberies, causing a reign of terror in both the United States and Puerto Rico. The FALN operated in the continental United States, while the Macheteros were active mostly in Puerto Rico.
United States law enforcement first learned of the existence of the FALN on October 26, 1974, the date the group issued a communiqué taking credit for five bombings in New York. . Ultimately, over the next decade, FALN activities resulted in 72 actual bombings, 40 incendiary attacks, 8 attempted bombings and 10 bomb threats, resulting in 5 deaths, 83 injuries, and over $3 million in property damage.
Similar to the FALN, the existence of the Macheteros became publicly known when the group sent a communiqué to the United Press International in which they claimed credit for the death of a Puerto Rican police officer on August 24, 1978. The goals of the Macheteros were complete autonomy and sovereignty for Puerto Rico. In order to achieve their goals, the Macheteros conducted an armed struggle against the United States Government, mainly represented through attacks on military and police, in several cases causing the death of U.S. servicemen. In a January 1981 attack, Macheteros commandos infiltrated a Puerto Rican Air National Guard base and blew up 11 planes, causing approximately $45 million in damages.
The capture and conviction of the individual members of the FALN and Macheteros brought an end to the reign of terror in Puerto Rico and the United States. Although a few random assaults may have occurred, mostly in Puerto Rico, the continual assaults on New York, Chicago, and law enforcement and Naval officers in Puerto Rico virtually came to a halt.
On August 11, 1999, President Clinton extended offers of clemency to sixteen terrorists incarcerated in federal prison. Prior to these offers, he had offered clemency to only three federal prisoners.
I don't think so. I remember when it happened. He said that they had been in prison long enough - far longer than an American would be for the same infraction. Which isn't true, obviously, because Timothy McVeigh did ONE bombing and was put to death.slotted said: