CNN Vote on homosexual mariage

[Kizzy]

But so what? Who are they hurting?

It tears at the moral fabric of our society, and it goes against everything that I think is "normal." Now, with that said, my opinion really doesn't matter. The bottom line is that we do have separation of church and state and with that in mind, I do believe that the gay population will win the right to marry. Somewhere in here I read a mention of Social Security benefits. Your beneficiary gets a death benefit, which I believe is currently less than $300 and if you and your spouse both receive a social security check at the time of death, the surviving spouse will only receive 1 check. The check that was for the larger amount will be the one coming into the household every month, not both checks.

Vrail, you do make an interesting point, as do others here on the issue. I try to look at the problem, which is the fact that the gays and lesbians want to be recognized for their union. Solution, society gives them that recognition by allowing them to be legally married.

Now, will this solution cause more problems down the road? Personally, I can only think of one, the morals of some people, because to me, social security benefits are not much to warrant a denial of the recognition they desire.

 

[Kain99]

Originally posted by T.Rally
I'm posting this excerpt from Dan Quayle's speech. A speech for which he was vilified by the media but I thought he was right on target. This is from 11 years ago.

But........ You just quoted Dan Quayle! I'm so upset right now I can't even see straight!

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by KevRock
Homosexuality is just as (un)normal as pedaphelia, yet this country we live in wants to shove one of the disorders down our throats.

Marriage between 2 gay people should not be permitted.

How many sides of your mouth do you have?? You first complain about shoving things down peoples throats, then you shove your own opinion that they shouldn't marry. What a crock. If they want to pack fudge and have a legal marriage agreement, doesn't hurt me in one bit.
And all this bs people spew about sex is only for reproducing... Yea... Ask a thousand people why they have sex... Some will say to have kids, most will say because it is pretty damn fun and I enjoy it!
Yea, I have sex and I do it for the pleasure... I'll see the rest of you in hell then...

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by KevRock
and like Sadam and Gamorrah, God will one day strike them down..

Exactly. This is between the gays and God, if they believe in such a thing. Nothing we can say or do will change that. Yea, don't get started on the religous beliefs because people forget that not everyone is a christian or have any religous beliefs what so ever. So what is the argument then? And if you enjoy the biblical teachings, I suppose you fell asleep when they discussed us not judging others?
There are a lot of things in this world that just don't seem right, but we don't make an issue out of it because it doesn't hurt us in any way.
With the torment gays receive from people like yourself, do you honestly feel they would continue that lifestyle if it wasn't what they really "felt"? You think they do it just to make the news during gay pride festivals?
Fine. People say they shouldn't be allowed together because they can't reproduce. How about the ones out there who SHOULDN'T reproduce? I mean, the world would be a much cleaner place if these ignorant rednecks would quit reproducing and flooding society with their trailer park mentality...

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by KevRock
Feel free to show me any way in which I torment you or your people Smalltown.

Show me how gays torment you.

Originally posted by KevRock
Every bit of your arguement is condescending, because you have no real points, you just babble and babble to be heard

Hi Pot.

Originally posted by KevRock

Homosexuality is not normal, it should not be accepted, and thats just the way it is. I have given many points, you have given none..

So, "just the way it is" is an actual stance for your argument? Talk about no substance.

Originally posted by KevRock


Give me a reason why, without taking your arguement beyond the parameters of the case at hand...

The argument HAS to go beyond the parameters you set forth because your vision has been skewed as to what really bothers you.

Lets go step by step to find the root of your disconent...
Marriage... A legal or religous union of two people (or more people, depending on your faith). With either case, it has no bearing on your personal life in legal terms or your own personal religous faith. Gays will never be in a position to take away YOUR legal right to marry, nor interfere with your religous beliefs on marriage.

So the basis of marriage works well for yourself, or for gays, lets move on...

You say if they should keep it behind closed doors, you don't have a problem with it. For a society that has fought oppression on so many levels, and even go to war over such a thing, I find this reaction astonishing. But fine. Keep it behind closed doors. I feel the same about any kind of "affection". It should be shared by two people who care about each other, not for public display. However, the notion of marriage is NOT a public issue, it IS something private between individuals. So again, this argument against gay marriage holds no water, so lets dig deeper...

You say it should be behind closed doors, that you don't want to see it... I see women and men walking down the street all the time together, and think nothing of it. Some could be gay, some not. So the act of being together doesn't bother any of us, so it must be something deeper.
Sure, you say it isn't about sex because that would sound pretty shallow, but it is obvious when you break it down, your whole disgust is the subject boils down to just that. Sex and affection. You say as long as it is private, it is ok. But can you really tell when you see a group of women walking down the street if they are gay or not? if you have a butch or two in there, sure... But otherwise, you won't know the difference. Since you don't know if they are gay, and they may be legally married to a gay person, you are completely oblivious to the fact they are part of a gay marriage, and you will walk right past them without a second thought.
You say if it is private, it is ok. Marriage information is public domain, but it is only there if you go looking for it. You could easily go your whole life and not know a gay person was married, and by your own admission this would be acceptable since you wouldn't know. So I ask again, what is the problem?

 

[Sharon]

Here's what I find interesting...

That some people embrace homosexuality altogether w/o a second thought; saying it's not hurting them, who cares, it's just about sex, etc. Then they turn around and express nastiness to those that have the same sort of disgust about homosexuality. How is someone's opinion hurting you and why do you care so much?

Then they throw out the Bible thingy about not "judging others". Hello?
If they really knew the Bible they would also know that God tell his followers not to align themselves with those that do not choose His way.

Go figure...:shrug:

Sorry for the interruption - carry on

 

[SmallTown]

So you're saying since it is a mental disorder, they aren't allowed to marry? How about people with other disorders or disabilities... Wow, the ACLU folks would get a hard-on over you

 

[Ken King]

Re: Re: Here's what I find interesting...

Originally posted by KevRock
Exactly Sharon, but the bible reads, and I quote "HATE THE SIN"

As you are quoting care to cite book and verse? As I recall the saying it is "Hate the sin, but not the sinner".

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by KevRock
My opinion on homosexuals is that, they should not be able to feed off of the benefits of marriage, which is the only thing they are trying to do. Marriage is about Family, its about family values, if these two people love eachother, and want to live this lifestyle, thats fine, but to benefit off of an unnatural union, is where it should end.

Make up your mind. Earlier you said that as long as it was behind closed doors, you had no problem with it. So as long as their "marriage benefits" are not known to you, it would seem you would be ok with that as well.

What is considered un "unnatural union"?. It wasn't too long ago that marriages between certain races were termed "unnatural". The weddings Vrai and I have would be considered "unnatural" by some (Wait, that didn't come out right... This isn't saying I'm married to Vrai! )

 

[SamSpade]

As far as I can tell, the whole furor is over the fact that marriage is both a secular institution and a religious one. Most of the time, these two do not come in conflict with one another, although there are some churches that do not recognize unions performed by non-religious officiators such as a justice of the peace and ship's captains. Churches that believe that homosexuality is wrong feel that they are being forced to believe otherwise. Whether or not this is true is not my point (that they are being forced). These people feel insulted that their sacred religious institution is being made equal with something they are repulsed by, given sanction by the state. To get into their heads on this one, you really have to think of something you really care a lot about, and imagine someone desecrating something you cherish. If you're a veteran, it's like flag-burning coupled with urinating on it. You'd be outraged while the person doing it would claim freedom of expression. If you're Jewish it would be like someone celebrating the Holocaust or if you are black, celbrating slavery. It's insulting.

Me? I honestly don't care, although I think recognition of a civil union with the legal privileges of marriage ought to suffice. I think gays should accept the fact that a large portion of the population will not ever accept their situation as equal no matter how many lifetimes it takes. Ain't gonna happen, and laws won't change it.

 

[yoddle]

Originally posted by Toxick
As opposed to Snoopy - or a biohazard symbol?

ha ha