Cocealed Weapon Carry Permit

Cletus_Vandam

New Member
Does anyone out there have a legal permit to carry a concealed weapon? Or has anyone gone through the application process with MSP?

I am seriously considering spending the cash for this, but would like to know what to expect.
 
Originally posted by Cletus_Vandam
Does anyone out there have a legal permit to carry a concealed weapon? Or has anyone gone through the application process with MSP?

I am seriously considering spending the cash for this, but would like to know what to expect.
Don't waste your money. You will be denied.
 
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justhangn

Guest
Re: Re: Cocealed Weapon Carry Permit

Originally posted by huntr1
Don't waste your money. You will be denied.

:yeahthat: and it's only illegal if you get caught. :shrug:
 

Cletus_Vandam

New Member
Getting Caught

It's not the getting caught that bothers me as much as the possbility of losing what I might be carrying. Any fine wouldn't hurt as much as loosing the $600 Glock (assuming that if caught, you lose the weapon).

Carrying w/o a permit has always concerned me becuase of the ramifications of ever needing to use it. On the flip side, I have always believed in "I would rather be tried by twelve, than carried by six"...
 

James White

Have a nuisance?Im 4 hire
Got my state and a federal CWP ..(Need Federal to carry in DC,and other states ,ok the fed permit)

Got mine first shot..lol

But it was do to my business and licenses and certifications.

Most are DENIED the first time around.....Before you do it,Go with your gun,and qualify at a State Range with a certified instructor,That helps alot,But you have to have a darn good reason to want one,or you will not get it in Md.

Any questions on it,if you should apply for it,please feel free to PM me or email.
 

soul4sale

New Member
The libertarian side of me gets curious at these discussions, and then then egalitarian side cringes at the net handle "Cletus_Vandam." And then I remember why this state is paranoid about firearms.

I spent most of my adult life living on the wrong sides of Baltimore and D.C. , and I never met a situation that couldn't be handled with a pump-action in the closet or a softball bat on the back seat. And I wonder, since when do people think they need to be strapped to a hand cannon to move safely about Southern Maryland?

In the paraphrased words of Tool: "Funk all you gun-toting hip gangster wannabes. Learn to swim."
 

Cletus_Vandam

New Member
soul4sale

So you’re going to base an opinion on someone's net handle? Seems a bit presumptuous, to say the least. Since your handle is soul4sale, can we all conclude that you worship the devil; or are agnostic in your religious beliefs and care not what may happen to your soul after death??? I could care what your handle is. I’m not a religious fanatic as you may think by my previous statement; but my statements are no more ridiculous than yours; which draw a conclusion that I am a less responsible individual than someone else based solely on my name (whether it is fictitious or not).

You seem to be very misinformed about crime here in southern Maryland. Just because we are a rural area, that doesn’t mean that this is Mayberry and Andy and Barney are all that is needed to insure everyone’s peace and tranquility.

As for my reason to "strap" in Southern Maryland; I see that you hail from Waldorf. You of all people shouldn't ask a stupid question as to why I would want to carry a handgun. Take a leisure walk through the Waldorf Mall parking lot after dark, and you’ll see a huge number of reasons to carry. I lived in Waldorf for nearly ten years before I left some ten years ago to move farther south-to get away from the crime that was increasing then. A number of years ago, I recall hearing about the manager on the evening crew of the Little Caesars pizza shop there in St. Charles getting the back of his head blown off for what was likely a few hundred dollars in the register. If I were in the parking lot to go to the movies (not even sure if that theater exists anymore) and crossed paths with the crooks as they were making their get-away, I might have wound up in the statistics for that year’s crime just like the vendor.

Or, there's the bank that was held up near Charlottes Hall several years ago. I don't recall how many innocent people were killed there. Pick up a local paper and you’ll see the murders, rapes, burglaries and robberies. Crime is everywhere at one time or another. All it takes is finding yourself in the right place at the wrong time. I did say “right” place, not the wrong place. Home invasions and car jackings haven’t quite made their way to So. Md. yet. The operative word that sentence is “YET”. Carrying a firearm is simply a means to protect yourself. If you feel more comfortable carrying a ball bat in your backseat, that's your prerogative. If I wish to preserve me and my family’s well-being by carrying a firearm, I should be afforded that. If you choose to bring a ball bat to a gun fight; or choose to protect your self with a shotgun that in your closet at home while your miles away at the mall when you find yourself in the mix of five or more punks that want your wallet or your girl, I know who I’ll be putting my money on.... I'll even take a few bucks out of my winnings to send flowers to your service.

Gun control has proven it doesn't work in countries such as Canada, Australia, and England. Each of these countries has made ownership of firearms illegal. All this has done is unarmed the citizens, making them easy targets for the bad guys. The thing that no one seems to grasp is that the goofballs who are making this legislation a reality are all protected (including their families) by people who carry firearms. Doesn’t’ that sound contradictive?
The one thing that all the gun-grabbers out there never want to talk about is how many crimes are thwarted by simply displaying a firearm, making the criminal know that you are not a welcome victim. No one is harmed, except maybe the criminal’s ego. They all want to talk about the few whom, regardless if they had a gun or not, would go on a rampage and kill. All the hype out there being published by the Liberals on violence is garbage and cannot be supported by facts…

The US pubic is beginning to see that gun control doesn't solve the crime problems in this country. Quoting a portion of a new report from FOX NEWS: “This month, the Million Mom March in Washington drew an anemic showing of only 2,000 people, while this year, all of the Democratic presidential candidates— however unenthusiastically— spoke of Americans’ Second Amendment right to own guns. These are just a few of the signs that the facts finally seem to be catching up to the movement. The future for the movement looks even worse.”

My hope is that our fine Governor soon stands up to the liberals of Baltimore, Montgomery and Price George’s Counties and requires the State to relax its restrictive procedure on the issuance of CCWs.
 

willie

Well-Known Member
Unless you are looking for trouble, why would you take a leisurely walk through Waldorf Mall parking lot after dark? Stupid people need to be punished once in a while.

I would be very comfortable patronizing a Pizza shop knowing the manager was carrying but if It were probable that his customers were carrying I'd change my diet.

Your reasons to carry seem very weak to me. If you want to have an arsenal in your home to protect your family and property, it's fine with me. I do but keep it at home or locked in your trunk until you get to the range.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
It never ceases to amaze me...

...that people get all upset and paranoid and impugn the character of people who wish to choose to protect themselves and their loved ones.

What makes it more astonishing is they look down on fellow citizens who are seeking to legally get around hurdles placed in front of #2, NUMBER TWO, on our Bill of Rights.

And worse yet, they usually support those hurdles and more in an effort to keep the law abiding from 'carrying a cannon' and all the while the real problem, the ones that will kill, rob, rape and maim...keep on keeping on...breaking the law. Let's pass a new one! For them to break...

There are myriad reasons a person may choose to carry a weapon, from your daughter who works late downtown seeking a little more security, to a saleperson who is constantly in places they might not choose to visit otherwise, to a mom or elderly person who has been car jacked.

It always amazes me when people fear the law abiding more than a criminal. Then, upon educating themselves as they surely would over an irrational fear, they learn that in states where citizens carry freely that the violent crime rate is lower, but they still feel this way.

And the absolute most rediculous thing of all; they'll never know you are even armed...unless you use force to protect yourself.

Yourself. That's right gun-paranoids. The great state of Maryland, in your honor, says that in order to conceal and carry one must follow the rules and the rules state that one may only use leathal force IF it is to protect oneself or family members and only IF all other options to retreat or escape have failed. It must be an imminent fear of serious injury or death.

So if ol' Cletus is walking through the parking lot one night with his 'cannon' and sees you being drug out of your car, beaten, robbed, raped and/or having your head removed by Al Queda, he is, by law, not allowed to use lethal force to help you.

By all rights, if you live, he should ask if you still fear HIM.

What'll probably happen is he won't be able to take doing nothing, having thought about these things, and come to your aid and get in all kinds of trouble for it. He'll spend thousands on lawyers until a jury throws this nonsense out.

But you'll be OK and maybe a little grateful.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Originally posted by willie
keep it at home or locked in your trunk until you get to the range.
Yeah, Cletus! And then lock yourself in your home and STAY there! You ain't got no biznez out on the streets with the criminals! Those are THEIR streets!

:crazy:

These arguments never cease to amaze me. "Brainwashed by the media" is the only thing I can think of. We are told to avoid certain places, before and after dark, so we don't become crime victims. Why should MY activities be curtailed because of crime? Why can't THEIR activities be curtailed because of my gun? THEY'RE the criminals - why am I being penalized?

:crazy:
 

SurfaceTension

New Member
Originally posted by soul4sale
I spent most of my adult life living on the wrong sides of Baltimore and D.C. , and I never met a situation that couldn't be handled with a pump-action in the closet or a softball bat on the back seat.
Many of us who do not spend our time in the closet, or backseat, prefer defensive tools that are a little more portable.
 

SmallTown

Football season!
Re: It never ceases to amaze me...

Originally posted by Larry Gude

Yourself. That's right gun-paranoids. The great state of Maryland, in your honor, says that in order to conceal and carry one must follow the rules and the rules state that one may only use leathal force IF it is to protect oneself or family members and only IF all other options to retreat or escape have failed. It must be an imminent fear of serious injury or death.


Well, you live in a state where the people elected Glendening. Twice. Maybe soul4sale is unsure about the mental ability of people in Maryland to handle a gun and follow the rules :biggrin: :lmao: :lmao:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Low blow...

Well, you live in a state where the people elected Glendening. Twice

We're working on it!

Hey, look, that's the beauty of the US. We don't HAVE to be right.
We can choose to be stupid.

And work to fix it!
 

SmallTown

Football season!
Re: Low blow...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
We're working on it!

Hey, look, that's the beauty of the US. We don't HAVE to be right.
We can choose to be stupid.

And work to fix it!

How is ehrlich (sp?) when it comes to gun control and concealed weapons? Any word on trying to ease the restrictions?

I know in Virginia it used to be pretty easy to get a permit. Not sure how it is now. But of course it still didn't allow you into government buildings, places that serve alcohol, etc with the gun.
 

Pete

Repete
I am not all up on the concealed carry stuff. If MD wont let you carry a concealed fire arm will they let you carry one in plain view? I would think that a better deterent to a thug would be if they saw their intended victim turn only to have a 9mm strapped to their belt.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
What's all this talk about not getting approved? I walked into the class, spent four hours learning about state laws, got fingerprinted, and had my permit in the mail six days later. I don't see what the problem is... oh yeah... I forgot that I live in Florida now. :biggrin:

Here's some interesting stuff about FL laws. You can get a CW permit WITHOUT being a resident of the state. You just have to attend the class and do the paperwork. So if you have any business or travelling to do in the state, you can get a CWP.

To buy a handgun, you need to be a resident of the state for 90 days unless you have a CWP, which has no residency requirements. :clap: Also, if you have a CWP, or are trading in a gun for another, there's no 3-day waiting period. And, the Brady Bill is not observed down here. If you have a CWP or are trading in a gun, you take your gun home the day you pay for it.
 

donbarzini

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by vraiblonde
Yeah, Cletus! And then lock yourself in your home and STAY there! You ain't got no biznez out on the streets with the criminals! Those are THEIR streets!

:crazy:

These arguments never cease to amaze me. "Brainwashed by the media" is the only thing I can think of. We are told to avoid certain places, before and after dark, so we don't become crime victims. Why should MY activities be curtailed because of crime? Why can't THEIR activities be curtailed because of my gun? THEY'RE the criminals - why am I being penalized?

:crazy:


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soul4sale

New Member
Re: soul4sale

Originally posted by Cletus_Vandam
So you’re going to base an opinion on someone's net handle? Seems a bit presumptuous, to say the least.

Methinks I hit a nerve. You are welcome to draw any conclusion you like from my handle. Satan worshipper? That's a new one. Might explain my demonic-looking Mario Bros. Boo-Buddy avatar. Tremble at its power...

You seem to be very misinformed about crime here in southern Maryland.

Um, no, not hardly...at all. And I'll leave it at that. As for reading the newspaper, I read five or more a day, and that's just the domestic ones. Waldorf is increasingly experiencing extraburban problems, but this ain't exactly anywhere near the hood, and it won't be for a few more years.

Home invasions and car jackings haven’t quite made their way to So. Md. yet.

Yes, they have. How often do you read the newspaper?

If you feel more comfortable carrying a ball bat in your backseat, that's your prerogative.

I feel more comfortable knowing that it's going to take a serious effort to dole out lethal force, not just a misplaced or mistaken shot. If someone gets the jump on me with a gun, it's not going to much matter what I'm armed with.

If you choose to bring a ball bat to a gun fight; or choose to protect your self with a shotgun that in your closet at home while your miles away at the mall when you find yourself in the mix of five or more punks that want your wallet or your girl, I know who I’ll be putting my money on....

In keeping with this hypothetical fantasy, how are you going to ensure that your supreme marksmanship with a weapon that can't hit the broad side of a barn door isn't going to injure or kill a bystander? Ever been jacked up on adreneline with a pistol in your hand? That's what I don't feel comfortable with, cowboy. A couple weekends at the range ain't going to prepare you for the messy realities of armed conflict. I would rather see you humiliated and robbed, but ALIVE, than watch you throw down in the middle of a bunch of unintended targets. And when do you feel justified in drawing? When someone looks at you too hard? When you think you see a weapon? When you hear trash talk? Awful vague standards for lethal force. Or is it when they've already drawn a gun on you? At that point, I have severe doubts that you would be able to turn the tables. Escalation of hostility leads to escalation of destruction, and I think you'll find that the "statistics" don't favor you too much. Now, I suppose you could go get some state training and join a regulated force, like some say the Constitution specifies, but somehow I doubt you'd go for that.

As for my shotgun preference, the only time I will likely ever get the drop on an armed opponent is in my house. If I happen to blow someone's brains out in the privacy and comfort of my own home, they isn't going to be a whole lot of legal fallout in the form of homicide charges or property destruction claims. Plus, it's damn hard to miss with a shotgun. OTOH, if you happen to shoot wildly at a percieved assailant in the mall, and your .44 slugs happens to brain an old lady instead, I'm sure you'd find that the courts would take great glee in nailing your butt to the wall. They don't like that cowboy stuff, cuts into their turf.


The one thing that all the gun-grabbers out there never want to talk about is how many crimes are thwarted by simply displaying a firearm, making the criminal know that you are not a welcome victim.

And how often does that happen here in your Wild West of SoMD? Are you going to waltz around the mall with your piece in plain view? Think that won't make you a mark or be seen as provocation? How about in P.G., D.C. or Bawlmer?

[QUOTES] All the hype out there being published by the Liberals on violence is garbage and cannot be supported by facts… [/QUOTE]

Facts? Or assumptions? Stats are only facts if you agree with the assumptions underlyng their collection. If you don't agee, then they are just propaganda. And it's fairly obvious that you don't agree and instead quote from sources that support your view. Big surprise. It cuts both ways. I honestly don't know what effect our gun laws have or if loosening them would curb gun crime or invite more of it. What I do know is that there are an awful lot of people that I wouldn't trust being legally lethally armed, myself among them. :crazy:
 
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