Confederate History Month Possible

[BuddyLee]

How about a Civil War History month? That would make much more sense to me.

 

[Richard Cranium]

How about a War of Northern Aggression History month? That would make much more sense to me.

:fixed:

 

[BuddyLee]

:fixed:

You seem to forget who fired the first shot, Slick. Who aggressed whom?

 

[Richard Cranium]

South Carolina seceded, along with several other states, peacefully. The yankees taught history as they thought it should be taught, regardless of what the truth was. Tell me, what do you think the basis of the War of Northern Aggression was?

 

[BuddyLee]

South Carolina seceded, along with several other states, peacefully. The yankees taught history as they thought it should be taught, regardless of what the truth was. Tell me, what do you think the basis of the War of Northern Aggression was?

Perhaps you should read up on your history. Start with Fort Sumter, here's a bad summarization but one nonetheless. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Sumter

If I were the North, I'd start my basis with that simple attack. Subsequently, and more importantly I'd want to reaffirm the Union. If the States were to be split up into two separate countries, it would almost go to war eventually anyway. Furthermore, the British were still ticked off about the past two wars they had fought and lost in America. They assuredly took the Confederate side in order to perhaps break up the Union. If that Union were split the British could invade yet again, this time more easily after we had eliminated most of ourselves.

The war was fought mostly over state's rights than slavery itself. Read up.

 

[Richard Cranium]

The war was fought mostly over state's rights than slavery itself. Read up.

Thanks for the invite, but being raised in the South and in a very traditional home, I have my own opinions of it. You have yours.

The only people you hear that old slavery whine from are 2nd graders...or those begging for reparations.

 

[BuddyLee]

Thanks for the invite, but being raised in the South and in a very traditional home, I have my own opinions of it. You have yours.

The only people you hear that old slavery whine from are 2nd graders...or those begging for reparations.

 

[Kyle]

What is an African American? Where is Africa America? ...

... It starts as you cross Southern Avenue, headed North, and is bordered by Eastern Avenue, Western Avenue and the Potomac River.

Apparently.. It's terribly misspelled.

 

[2ndAmendment]

... It starts as you cross Southern Avenue, headed North, and is bordered by Eastern Avenue, Western Avenue and the Potomac River.

Apparently.. It's terribly misspelled.

 

[Hessian]

Origins

For those actually interested (and setting their passions aside) Look at the SC. Secession Declaration. They really tried to explain their justification for leaving the union: The North Threatened them with force in 1833 if they refused to collect the $$ from the "Tariff of Abominations"...Jackson threatened to invade & crush them for "nullification."

Fast forward 27 years and the North is practicing their own version of Nullification--refusing to abide by the Fugitive slave act. They have harbored not just runaways but those who committed crimes while fleeing....And the Federal government was nonplussed.

Many of you would recognize the unfortunate validity of Divorce. A voluntary contract was broken and the two part company: That is what SC did. One of the chief sticking points were the four Federal facilities that were still being maintained around Charleston: SC ordered them evacuated...the fed govt refused. Maj Anderson finally evacuated three of the posts and disabled that which he couldn't evacuate--thus enraging the SC public. (read "First Blood.") From there a siege began and Major Anderson was left hanging by the Lincoln admin. until Beauregard opened fire in April 61.

Lincoln got what he needed: an act of aggression by a southern state and thus was able to justify calling up 75,000 troops to crush the rebellion.

Anyway: I'll go with Buddylee's suggestion of a CW Appreciation week: Hoping that fanatics from all angles can cool down and actually study & appreciate their heritage and the issues that remained unsolved. (Unfortunately our present civilty won't allow that.)

 

[forestal]

Not a good comparison.. Maybe if we had "Japanese soldiers who attacked us history month" you might have a point, but we don't. Many Japanese Americans fought for the United States on the front lines in Europe. You can't say the confederacy defended the United States. Also, 'Asian' encompesses more than just people of Japanese heritage.

The Confederacy was a traitorious faction of the United States. They wanted to keep African Americans as slaves, and they lost. There is nothing glamorous or nostalgic about them, and their way of life shouldn't be celebrated it should be shunned.

To your earlier comment ... I believe the Japanese were probably considered terrorists when they bombed Pearl Harbor, yet we have Asian Pacific Heritage Month. :shrug:

In fact, I bet it's not long before Middle Easterners are bargaining with politicians for their own warm-fuzzy month of observance. Everyone wearing a towel on their head when frequenting a 7-11 during the month of September will get 50 cents off slushies.

I wonder if they'll have their own little Jesse Jackson or Rev. Al Sharpton.

 

[forestal]

If you want to wax nostalgic about the good old days of the confederacy, you need to apologize for admiring slavery.

apolagize for what? Who should apolagize? I don't think there is anyone alive now that ever owned a slave. Why would you want somone to apolagize for somthing they didn't do?

 

[forestal]

War of Southern Aggression don't you mean?

And good for the Confederate History month. It should be national. The War Betweens the States is as much our history as is Martin Luther King and the history of blacks in the United States. Have them both or do away with both. I think I prefer doing away with both.

We should, as George Washington said, concentrate on what unites us rather than "any appellation derived from local discriminations.". I am an American. I am not a White American or European American.

 

[forestal]

Probably because German + French + Italian + Swiss + Russian = White American history month = American History and is 24x7?

Good for him.

I think that the "specialty" months divide more than honor. Why not Welsh-American month, French-American month, German-American month, Italian-American month, Swiss-American month, Russian-American month. Stupid. Just a PC way of saying you are different and set apart. If you are set apart because you are different because of ethnicity, skin color, gender, hair color, or the size of your little finger, it is discrimination.

Want to be equal? Then be equal. Don't look to be different and then complain that you are not equal.

 

[forestal]

Hey, if you want your Christian History I suggest you check out www.conservapedia.com . You'll find all the history that you approve of there, and none of the factual stuff that you don't approve of.

When history doesn't fit with the paradigm, people change it to fit. We have lots of politically correct and anti-Christian history in our schools these days that has nothing to do with the facts as recorded in documents of the era. But hey, why confuse the students with the truth when it is so easy to mold their minds into what the teachers want with lies?

 

[BuddyLee]

You seem to forget who fired the first shot, Slick. Who aggressed whom?

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Care to add a little more detail, a book, even a link?

 

[hvp05]

Care to add a little more detail, a book, even a link?

I got red from here today also. At least you received an actual comment; mine was simply "blah blah blah".

Which reminds me, I wanted to extend one point from my initial post.

An African American (also Afro-American) is a member of an ethnic group in the United States whose ancestors, usually in predominant part, were indigenous to Sub-Saharan Africa. Many African Americans possess European, Native American and, to a lesser degree, Asian ancestry as well, however African Americans as a group still possess around 80% African DNA. In the United States the term is generally used for those of Sub-Saharan African ancestry, and not, for example, to European colonial or Arab/Berber African ancestry, such as Moroccans or White South African-European ancestry.

This made me .

So if someone is a white person, or maybe a brown person, from Africa they are not to be considered "African-American". They can have a direct, personal link to Africa but that doesn't matter.

What if our hypothetical person is black and was born in England? Are they also African-American? British-American? African-British-American?

More proof the whole idea is nothing more than a superficial, feel-good movement that creates more problems than it solves. The basis not respecting history or heritage; it's a worthless token of recognition. Thank you, Liberals!

 

[Larry Gude]

Well...

What is an African American? Where is Africa America? I have carefully searched the map of the earth and can find no country called Africa America.

Seems we have not learned the lessons of history very well.

...we have one who lives next door.



Blonde hair, blue eyes. About 5' 6", 150 pounds. Pale as a ghost. Could use some sun. Born in Africa. Moved here.

 

[Bud]

Care to add a little more detail, a book, even a link?

BL, I think what that person was getting at was that after South Carolina seceded, it wanted the US troops withdrawn from Charleston. The bombardment began after the deadline for the US troops withdrawal from Fort Sumter passed.

Attempts by the Confederate government to settle its differences with the Union were spurned by Lincoln, and the Confederacy felt it could no longer tolerate the presense of a foreign force in its territory.

 

[kwillia]

BL, I think what that person was getting at was that after South Carolina seceded, it wanted the US troops withdrawn from Charleston. The bombardment began after the deadline for the US troops withdrawal from Fort Sumter passed.

Attempts by the Confederate government to settle its differences with the Union were spurned by Lincoln, and the Confederacy felt it could no longer tolerate the presense of a foreign force in its territory.

You can't demand the eviction of the country's government out it's own property and think you can get away with it...dur...