Conservative Voters Opinions of Bush/McCain

[tiny_dancer33]

I'm interested to see how views of the two are related. If you are a McCain supporter, did/do you like Bush or no? Vice versa? Keep in mind that in the above questions I don't mean this as necessarily "I don't like McCain and therefore I'm not voting for him," it's understood that you could not like him and still be choosing him as the candidate you dislike the least. Voting aside, how do you agree or disagree with the above politicians? (If you are a conservative voter and will not be voting for him, choose the last option.)

 

[aps45819]

BUSH IS NOT A CANDIDATE

 

[tiny_dancer33]

BUSH IS NOT A CANDIDATE

I know. I was just interested in how people's views of McCain correlated or didn't correlate with their views of the current president...that's why I said "was/am" - either supported Bush during his run or currently support him and his policies now, as president.

 

[vraiblonde]

I don't "support" either of them, really. Bush has been a great President in some respects - going after terrorism and liberating Iraq, for instance - but has been an enormous dolt in others. I'm not sorry he beat John Kerry, but Bush hasn't been my ideal President.

As far as John McCain, I like his attitude more than I like his stance on certain issues. He's a maverick, like the Dems and media said, so that's pretty cool but I still don't agree with him.

This modern crop of Democrats - Gore, Kerry, Obama - are a pack of Socialists. Not even liberals, but just plain Socialist.

So I more vote against them than for the Republican. :shrug: And the only reason I'm voting for John McCain is because of Sarah Palin. Otherwise I'd be voting for Bob Barr or writing in my cat.

 

[vraiblonde]

To more directly answer the question, my views of John McCain have nothing to do with George Bush.

 

[tiny_dancer33]

To more directly answer the question, my views of John McCain have nothing to do with George Bush.

I was just wondering whether people who liked McCain shared similar or opposing views of Bush, not necessarily how the like or dislike of one influenced their like or dislike of the other.

And I would vote for your cat.

 

[This_person]

I was just wondering whether people who liked McCain shared similar or opposing views of Bush, not necessarily how the like or dislike of one influenced their like or dislike of the other.

In general, the reasons for voting for Bush the first time would make voting for McCain this time an obvious choice. Similar rhetoric on reduced government, lower taxes, etc. They do belong to the same party, after all.

Bush has not followed through on a lot of the conservative principles. The Republicans took control of the legislative branch (the one that controls money), and Clinton took credit for their work by revelling in the economic prosperity. The Republicans then did what the Democrats had done for so long before - they became drunk and lustful with power, swimming over their heads in fraud, waste, and abuse of that power.

McCain has quietly (and loudly, for that matter) admitted that the Republicans learned from their mistakes. In the inevitable future, when they have the chance to prove they've learned by taking control of the legislative branch again, I will believe them on whole. For the individual of McCain, I believe him. For the individual of his running mate, Gov. Palin, I believe she is a fiscal conservative. Together, with an almost equally split House and Senate (again), I believe they can do for our country what Gingrich accomplished, and then destroyed.

So, I was a supporter of Bush, and hate a great deal of what he's done. I strongly believe that we are far better off from a national security standpoint than we would have been under Gore or Kerry. I believe they would have followed Pres. Clinton's apathetic response to attacks on America and Americans, which would have continued to embolden and strengthen our terrorist enemies.

The reason that the presidential and congressional approval ratings are so historically low, IMO, is exactly the same for each - they're not doing domestically what they were elected to do. Reid and Pelosi do far more damage to our country every day than Bush, thus their institutions' approval ratings are far lower than the executive's. Bush at least is doing the national security job he was elected to do, so his ratings are higher.

So, the answer I would have to give is that I was a supporter, and I support McCain. But, there is absolutely no parallel that you can draw from those two statements together. I drive an American made vehicle, and I support McCain is just as useful a connection.

 

[bcp]

Let me ask,
what are your views of Obama and MalcomX

 

[Baja28]

In general, the reasons for voting for Bush the first time would make voting for McCain this time an obvious choice. Similar rhetoric on reduced government, lower taxes, etc. They do belong to the same party, after all.

Bush has not followed through on a lot of the conservative principles. The Republicans took control of the legislative branch (the one that controls money), and Clinton took credit for their work by revelling in the economic prosperity. The Republicans then did what the Democrats had done for so long before - they became drunk and lustful with power, swimming over their heads in fraud, waste, and abuse of that power.

McCain has quietly (and loudly, for that matter) admitted that the Republicans learned from their mistakes. In the inevitable future, when they have the chance to prove they've learned by taking control of the legislative branch again, I will believe them on whole. For the individual of McCain, I believe him. For the individual of his running mate, Gov. Palin, I believe she is a fiscal conservative. Together, with an almost equally split House and Senate (again), I believe they can do for our country what Gingrich accomplished, and then destroyed.

So, I was a supporter of Bush, and hate a great deal of what he's done. I strongly believe that we are far better off from a national security standpoint than we would have been under Gore or Kerry. I believe they would have followed Pres. Clinton's apathetic response to attacks on America and Americans, which would have continued to embolden and strengthen our terrorist enemies.

The reason that the presidential and congressional approval ratings are so historically low, IMO, is exactly the same for each - they're not doing domestically what they were elected to do. Reid and Pelosi do far more damage to our country every day than Bush, thus their institutions' approval ratings are far lower than the executive's. Bush at least is doing the national security job he was elected to do, so his ratings are higher.

So, the answer I would have to give is that I was a supporter, and I support McCain. But, there is absolutely no parallel that you can draw from those two statements together. I drive an American made vehicle, and I support McCain is just as useful a connection.

Thanks for typing my answer.

 

[tiny_dancer33]

Bush at least is doing the national security job he was elected to do, so his ratings are higher.

So, the answer I would have to give is that I was a supporter, and I support McCain. But, there is absolutely no parallel that you can draw from those two statements together. I drive an American made vehicle, and I support McCain is just as useful a connection.

Interesting point about the approval ratings discrepancies, I hadn't thought of that. Cheers.

I didn't really mean the question as in how are the two related to each other, I was just curious as to who the pools of voters were - are Bush political supporters McCain supporters generally, or not - that kind of thing, not so much how does the view of Bush affect a conservative voter's view of McCain. But interesting answers. Sorry my little poll option for "supporter of both" doesn't really contain any of the sub-options within that category!

 

[This_person]

Thanks for typing my answer.

No problem!

 

[This_person]

Interesting point about the approval ratings discrepancies, I hadn't thought of that. Cheers.

I didn't really mean the question as in how are the two related to each other, I was just curious as to who the pools of voters were - are Bush political supporters McCain supporters generally, or not - that kind of thing, not so much how does the view of Bush affect a conservative voter's view of McCain. But interesting answers. Sorry my little poll option for "supporter of both" doesn't really contain any of the sub-options within that category!

I think there are very few supporters, overall, of Bush. Even those of us who liked him a lot in the beginning don't like a lot of his domestic positions.

 

[HouseCat]

If they support my needs, they get my vote. The Dems still aren't supporting what I need/want, and want to take away what I already have, so they lose my vote.

 

[bcp]

To more directly answer the question, my views of John McCain have nothing to do with George Bush.

same here but there were no options to cover my thoughts.

as in, Yes, I voted for Bush twice, the second time it was more against Kerry than for Bush.
I do not like McCain, I think he is a weak candidate and that congress is going to walk all over him, but obama is looking to sell this country to the highest bidder, and we all become the slaves of the purchaser.

so,
I again, hold my nose and vote for the least of two evils.

 

[BuddyLee]

Not a big supporter of Bush but will be supporting McCain.

 

[Larry Gude]

...

...I was a supporter of W. Twice. He WILL, deservedly, go down as an all time worst president, supplanting Jimmy Carter in the modern era.

I never liked McCain and never will.

I am voting for Ron Paul because he is who I actually support. I can't rationally vote for a veep. The GOP will not move back to the right unless it if forced to. Actually, even then, it will only be to win an election.

W has destroyed conservatism. He used it and it will pay the price by being associated with him for a generation. Or longer.

 

[bcp]

...I was a supporter of W. Twice. He WILL, deservedly, go down as an all time worst president, supplanting Jimmy Carter in the modern era.

I never liked McCain and never will.

I am voting for Ron Paul because he is who I actually support. I can't rationally vote for a veep. The GOP will not move back to the right unless it if forced to. Actually, even then, it will only be to win an election.

W has destroyed conservatism. He used it and it will pay the price by being associated with him for a generation. Or longer.

I think his damage falls on the republican party.
I think conservatism is still healthy.

 

[Larry Gude]

Would...

I think his damage falls on the republican party.
I think conservatism is still healthy.

...that be judged by the 'plethora' of leading conservative candidates?

Or simply the fact that McCain threw us a bone from Alaska?

 

[bcp]

...that be judged by the 'plethora' of leading conservative candidates?

Or simply the fact that McCain threw us a bone from Alaska?

it will be judged in 2012.
liberals are making it an issue against conservatives to win an election.
If McCain acts right, (not a pun) 2012 elections will not bring with it that opportunity for them

 

[Larry Gude]

Obama...

it will be judged in 2012.
liberals are making it an issue against conservatives to win an election.
If McCain acts right, (not a pun) 2012 elections will not bring with it that opportunity for them

...is not going to win. He can't. There are just far too many weaknesses in his candidacy.

Obama will lose something like 5-10% of the women that Gore/Kerry got. He can't afford to lose 1% of them. Some say he will lose upwards of 4-6% of people because of his skin color. That right there is a tidal wave. More ex-Kerry/Gore voters.

He will lose a fair bit of older people who voted Gore/Kerry who simply don't have strong objections to McCain and have honest and fair worries about Obama's inexperience.

He will lose a fair bit of independent and undecided people who don't like Bush but have fair and legitimate objections to Obama that are even slightly less with McCain.

McCain got back most of the right wingers with Palin.

The entire Clinton wing of the party will, at best, give him lukewarm support. They're trying to wave the flag but want Hillary to get another shot in 4 years.

Once they settled on Gore and Kerry, not particularly loved or even liked candidates, the entire party was unified behind them. Now, they have an exciting candidate they are very much divided on.

The Dems are going over a cliff in slow motion. All this is now is a show. At the end of the debates, Obama is still wrong on the surge, still can only convince so many people that McCain and Bush are one in the same, still has no experience and even has his fingerprints on the Wall Street problem.

There is no solid reasons to vote for him.

If he comes out in the debates and says we will drill, we will be energy independent and we will see to success in Iraq and we will get Osama and I will not raise taxes, he's got a chance.