Daniel Penny - what's the verdict?

Monello

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In all the that time we were rolling around, the only time I recall taking a subway was in Montreal. The canucks do a good job of keeping their freaks in line. NYC could learn a thing or 2 from them.
 

vraiblonde

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In all the that time we were rolling around, the only time I recall taking a subway was in Montreal. The canucks do a good job of keeping their freaks in line. NYC could learn a thing or 2 from them.

I don't think they have freaks in Montreal. Remember that piano in the park? And the little nap loungers by the river? You can't have things like that in NYC.
 

GURPS

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TPD

the poor dad
The longer the jury deliberates, the better chance for a hung jury IMO. They asked to view 3 videos today.
 

Monello

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I don't think they have freaks in Montreal. Remember that piano in the park? And the little nap loungers by the river? You can't have things like that in NYC.
Montreal has a great traffic light juggler to entertain drivers. That might qualify as a freak to some.

That piano in the park made you buzz feed famous.
 

Grumpy

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It's stunning to me that this wasn't a go in the room, look at each other, foreman all, "So we good?" "Yeah, we good", then "We find the defendant not guilty."
I pretty much went through something like that in the 90s..11 of 12 were "Guilty" as it was clear about this guys crime, but we had one juror who was constant with 'Not Guilty'..2 days of going through everything over and over, she wouldn't budge..3rd day, she said okay with no explanation, I think she just wanted the days off work..I dunno, but her arguments for acquittal were asinine.
 

glhs837

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I pretty much went through something like that in the 90s..11 of 12 were "Guilty" as it was clear about this guys crime, but we had one juror who was constant with 'Not Guilty'..2 days of going through everything over and over, she wouldn't budge..3rd day, she said okay with no explanation, I think she just wanted the days off work..I dunno, but her arguments for acquittal were asinine.

Same here. She was hung up on the fact that three people who told the police who did it the night of the incident suddenly couldn't be quite so sure when looking that guy in the face in the courtroom. Of course, she wouldn't consider the fact that they all knew each other, lived in the same trailer park off GMR for years, and the defendant was the ladies ex BF, and had been known to the cops to be going after her new BF, they had broken up a fight between them two days before.

Yeah, lady, maybe some stranger entered the picture with the ex's brothers in tow, and decided to bust into their trailer and shoot one guy and then at them through the locked and matters barricaded door yelling about his filthy whore of an ex. But that's not a reasonable doubt.

Funny thing, the buddy in the trailer who got shot, he went to Moms trailer and he didn't call the cops.
 

Clem72

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I pretty much went through something like that in the 90s..11 of 12 were "Guilty" as it was clear about this guys crime, but we had one juror who was constant with 'Not Guilty'..2 days of going through everything over and over, she wouldn't budge..3rd day, she said okay with no explanation, I think she just wanted the days off work..I dunno, but her arguments for acquittal were asinine.
Maybe it should be like the Olympics and they don't count the vote of the most pro and most against juror.
 

GURPS

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Daniel Penny Jury DEADLOCKED, Judge May FORCE Jury To Pass Verdict, Democrats Crate ANARCHO TYRRANY​


 

GURPS

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Judge Directs Jury to Keep Deliberating in Daniel Penny Trial After Jurors Say They’re Deadlocked



“At this time, we are unable to come to a unanimous vote on Count One, manslaughter in the second degree,” the jurors said in a note to the judge. The jurors had been deliberating since Tuesday.

In response, Judge Maxwell Wiley directed the jurors to keep deliberating in an attempt to reach a unanimous decision in what is known as an Allen charge.

The defense had objected to the issuing of an Allen charge and asked the judge to order a mistrial, saying, “We are concerned that the giving of an Allen charge under these circumstances would be coercive.”

The judge said that after further deliberation, the jury still might not arrive at a unanimous verdict, in which case there will be another trial with a different jury.

The courtroom at 100 Centre Street in lower Manhattan has been alternately crowded and near-deserted in these final days of the trial, as the jury has briefly returned to review evidence again and the judge has held brief conversations, some of them contentious, with the lawyers.

Penny’s trial on that charge and the second count has been going on since the first week of November. The jury finally began its deliberations on Tuesday afternoon, following summations from the defense and prosecution at the start of the week.
 

TPD

the poor dad
I would not want to be in Mr Penny’s shoes. You think you are finally putting this behind you but no - gotta go thru another trial it appears. That sucks.
 

Hijinx

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I thought when you had a hung jury it was up to the prosecutor to decide whether or not to have another trial.
If this jury is hung the asswhole who brought the charges should drop them.
 

TPD

the poor dad
I thought when you had a hung jury it was up to the prosecutor to decide whether or not to have another trial.
If this jury is hung the asswhole who brought the charges should drop them.
I was thinking the same thing
 
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TPD

the poor dad
Manslaughter charged dismissed. Jury coming back Monday to continue deliberations on homicide charge.
 

Hijinx

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Manslaughter charged dismissed. Jury coming back Monday to continue deliberations on homicide charge.
MMMMMMM is that good or bad. Did they think that manslaughter wasn't a harsh enough charge so they are coming back to get him for Homicide? I would think the homicide should have been dismissed and the manslaughter charge would be the one they came back for if at all.
Not sure I like this. Of course they should have dismissed both, but this has me thinking.
It's New York, where criminals walk and the innocent are convicted.
 
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