Daniel Penny - what's the verdict?

TPD

the poor dad
MMMMMMM is that good or bad. Did they think that manslaughter wasn't a harsh enough charge so they are coming back to get him for Homicide? I would think the homicide should have been dismissed and the manslaughter charge would be the one they came back for if at all.
Not sure I like this. Of course they should have dismissed both, but this has me thinking.
It's New York, where criminals walk and the innocent are convicted.
Negligent homicide is the lesser charge with only up to 4 years in prison if I remember correctly. But according to the “experts” on the Ingram Angle earlier, they are guessing a hung jury on this charge as well Since they couldn’t decide on the manslaughter charge.
 

Monello

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These are the same New Yorkers that are pumping their fists in the air with delight about some health care insurance company CEO getting gunned down in the street like a rabid dog.
 

GURPS

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WOKE BLM Activists MELT DOWN Over Judge DISMISSING Manslaughter Charge Against Daniel Penny​


 
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Hijinx

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This should have never gone to trial - and it only happened after the mob went ballistic on it.
Yes : Judges trying to calm down the blacks at the expense of the freedom of a white.
The trial is racial prejudice at it's worst. Just as the Derek Chauvin case was.
 
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stgislander

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I learned from a Neely family member last night that I have racism in my heart because I can't see this case for what it is.
 
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Hijinx

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I learned from a Neely family member last night that I have racism in my heart because I can see this case for what it is.
One thing is certain there is certainly a racial reason for this trial.
That and the AG office in New York is getting it's rocks off screwing over white people.
 
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Hijinx

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I wonder what the actual count is on the jury.
Is there only one who wants guilty or only one who wants to acquit?
Is it 6 and 6
Any amount can hang the jury, but if a jury is hung by one the chance is that one could be swayed.
If its 3 or 4 holding it up it probably will stay hung.
 

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🔥 Daniel Penny’s trial, now reaching its electrifying conclusion, has fully captured the nation’s imagination. The heroic former marine’s unjust persecution lies at the three-way intersection of two-tiered double-standards; a bizarre, funhouse-mirror distortion of racial grievance politics; and the moral sinkhole swallowing New York’s state’s justice system. It raises profound questions about civilization’s will to continue existing. Yesterday saw a thrilling twist in the Danny Penny story. Shortly after C&C predicted it yesterday, the jury declared a deadlock. The judge’s shockingly unfair response was reported in a Washington Post story confusingly headlined, “Manslaughter charge in Daniel Penny trial dismissed, jury resumes next week.

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Props to the courtroom sketch artist for carefully recording Juror No. 2’s double mask situation.

Manhattan Attorney General Alvin Bragg and his team of prosecutors filed two counts against Daniel Penny, after the courageous veteran briefly threw a headlock around chronic offender, drug addict, and domestic terrorist Jordan Neely, to hold him from hurting innocent passengers on their shared subway car. By the way, none of those facts have ever been disputed.

The state’s two counts included Count one, now dismissed, for manslaughter. Remaining Count two is for negligent homicide. Both crimes involve accidentally killing someone. Manslaughter offers a higher sentence —25 years— but requires proof of aggressive recklessness. It is often charged, for instance, in fatal DUI cases.

Negligent homicide is a lesser offense needing proof only of dangerous carelessness, like leaving a drunk, 86-year-old congresswoman in a hot car. Under New York Law, negligent homicide carries a maximum sentence of only four years. (Still far too long, but not long enough for some New York leftists.)

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As predicted, yesterday morning the jury issued its note declaring a deadlock — but on Count I only. Because they didn’t also declare a deadlock on Count II, the judge and Bragg’s prosecutors had a last-ditch chance to dream up a creative and almost certainly unconstitutional solution.

Facing the jury’s deadlock declaration on Count I, Bragg’s prosecutors essentially said fine. We’ll just dismiss Count I and bingo, bango, bongo, problem solved. No more deadlock. Ta-da! They can’t deadlock Count I because we dismissed it first.

Danny’s lawyers hotly objected. They rightly argued that, if this tactic works, prosecutors will always overcharge cases, knowing they can just dismiss any counts that offend the jury if a deadlock looms. But the judge overruled them, deciding instead to breathe new life into the dying case by giving the jury the weekend to cool off and ordering them to start re-deliberating again on Monday morning. This time, on Count II only.

It was absurd. The judge’s decision transformed the case into a legal and procedural train wreck, as well as a mockery of justice.

The biggest problem arose from the good reason the jury only declared a deadlock on Count I. Everyone involved understands why. Only we and the public remain in the dark, thanks to useless corporate media.

The reason the jury only declared a Count I deadlock is that the jury instructions carefully and explicitly say the jurors must first decide Count I and only then move on to Count II. Carefully reading the jury instructions, the jury logically concluded that, since they were deadlocked on Count I, they could not move on to Count II. The instructions won’t let them.

According to reports on X —I couldn’t find any part of the transcript in corporate media— prosecutor Dafna Yoran (MUST be a fake name) whined to the judge, “It would be a crazy result to have a hung jury just because they can't move on to the second count!” Here is Karen, I mean Dafna:

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According to other reports, Judge Maxwell Wiley responded, "I am taking a chance and granting the People's motion" to dismiss Count I and let the jury consider Count II anyway.

Taking a chance?? He’s taking a chance all right.

I’m not a criminal lawyer, and I don’t practice in New York. But to my legal eye, what the judge did yesterday was verbally rewrite the jury instructions. He told the jury they should move on to Count II, without deciding Count I, even though the jury instructions do not allow that. To me, this seems like a wild travesty of justice and an unforgivable violation of Penny’s due process.

In short, judges can’t just change the rules in midstream to suit their own personal bias or political agenda. I get that, once Count I was dismissed, the instructions fouled everything up, since Dafna never imagined this possible outcome. Well, too bad. The prosecutors should have requested more flexible jury instructions.

In short, any confusion over the jury instructions was created by the prosecutors when they dismissed Count I. It’s not Danny’s fault. The judge’s mistake is so awful and so obvious it makes me wonder whether the judge is secretly trying to help Danny, by sabotaging the case with reversible error. Or maybe he panicked.

Either way, that’s how technically bad his decision was.

This jury is smarter than the judge. They won’t take the bait. I bet they will just deadlock again. They’ll deadlock the less serious Count II. (Deadlock, rather than acquittal, seems inevitable, most likely thanks to the looney double-masked juror.) For several reasons, it looks like this jury has a strong foreman, and they already deadlocked on Count I.

Meanwhile, as the case continues to curry the country’s fears, hopes, and dreams of justice, Fox ran an encouraging story yesterday headlined, “Daniel Penny to be tapped for Congressional Gold Medal by House GOP lawmaker.” The sub-headline added, “Mr. Penny bravely stood in the gap to defy this corrupt system and protect his fellow Americans, says Rep. Eli Crane.”

Whether or not the excellent resolution ultimately passes, and they should pass it, it’s still a bat-signal to Danny, from the people: we see you and we get it. Stay frosty, marine.

Finally, the WaPo’s story’s comments were very encouraging. Comments from WaPo’s far-left readers are running about ten-to-one in Penny’s favor. Assuming the jury is of similar composition (comparing WaPo readers to New Yorkers seems fair) Danny Penny is in great shape.



 

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The prosecutor loves thugs more than citizens.

Lead Daniel Penny prosecutor secured light sentence for thug who killed 87-year-old in ATM robbery


Assistant Manhattan DA Dafna Yoran pushed 'restorative justice' for suspect in deadly mugging


Assistant Manhattan District Attorney Dafna Yoran, who urged jurors at Daniel Penny's subway chokehold trial to convict him of manslaughter on Tuesday, once sought reduced punishment for a Manhattan mugger who killed an 87-year-old over $300 in 2019 under the concept of "restorative justice."

Matthew Lee, 57, snuck up on the victim, a former Lehman College professor named Dr. Young Kun Kim, from behind at a Citibank ATM on Broadway on May 13, 2018, video shows. The fatal blow, a punch to the head from behind, appears to have occurred off-camera.

Kim was hospitalized and later died from his injuries. Police eventually identified Lee as the suspect and arrested him within a week.

Under a 2020 policy introduced by Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., Yoran "saw an opportunity for a transformative outcome," according to Gothamist, a New York City news site. It was the first use of the program in a homicide case.



 
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