DC Po Po Gun Search

[Larry Gude]

Dc...

Searches start today.. and they showed what the press considers an illegal weapon.. it looked like a a small rifle or small calibre shotgun. Are those illegal to own in DC too?


Lastly, the silence from the ACLU is DEAFENING!!

...allows it's subjects to have rifles and shot guns IF they are unloaded and disassembled. I'm not sure if they let the people actually have a bullet or two.

 

[kom526]

I'm wondering, IF the homeowner/tenant gives permission to search is the house "tossed" or is it a soft search? If it's tossed does MPD help clean it back up?



HMMM...

 

[Toxick]

...the just cause or reasonable suspicion? This is EXACTLY why we have the bill of rights.

Doesn't refusing to submit to the search qualify as a reasonable suspicion? If you have nothing to hide you would let the police do their jobs, right? If you don't let them in, you must be up to no good.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Doesn't refusing to submit to the search qualify as a reasonable suspicion? If you have nothing to hide you would let the police do their jobs, right? If you don't let them in, you must be up to no good.

Refer to:

No warrants .......... just Knock, Knock .... DC Police is conducting a neighborhood sweep for Illegal Guns, can we search your residence for weapons ..... why are you resisting, do you have something to hide .....

 

[RadioPatrol]

Well some would argue :

• how would they know if they have Illegal weapons or not if they dont search for them (link)
• Or that they are only searching Suspected Criminals (link) "The paranoia is fascinating"
• The End justifies the Means (link)
• The founders didnt envision Urban crime, as long as it saves lives (link)
• No one should be uncomfortable with this, as long as they arent doing anything illegal (link)
• Some are even comfortable with these intrusions to our rights (link)
• Those same feel safter with these intrusions (link)
• DC has a very good reason to be suspicious enought to ask people these questions (link)
• DC's crime problems are more important than your rights anyways (link) love that one
• This DC Police practice doesnt interfere with your Freedoms (link)
• If DC doesnt do this then we're all Dead (link)
• Only Paranoid people would be worried by this practice (link)
• As long as you dont have an illegal weapon, there isnt any reason to be bothered with by this practice (link)

Can you explain the difference?

do you have all those bookmarked ...........

 

[RadioPatrol]

Nah, just remember the arguments some made in FAVOR of a erosion of different set of rights.

Geez Good Memory

.... Reminds me of the old saw:

Never have a fight of wits with an unarmed man ...



Glad I was Not in your quotes ....

 

[Larry Gude]

Yup...

Well some would argue :

• how would they know if they have Illegal weapons or not if they dont search for them (link)
• Or that they are only searching Suspected Criminals (link) "The paranoia is fascinating"
• The End justifies the Means (link)
• The founders didnt envision Urban crime, as long as it saves lives (link)
• No one should be uncomfortable with this, as long as they arent doing anything illegal (link)
• Some are even comfortable with these intrusions to our rights (link)
• Those same feel safter with these intrusions (link)
• DC has a very good reason to be suspicious enought to ask people these questions (link)
• DC's crime problems are more important than your rights anyways (link) love that one
• This DC Police practice doesnt interfere with your Freedoms (link)
• If DC doesnt do this then we're all Dead (link)
• Only Paranoid people would be worried by this practice (link)
• As long as you dont have an illegal weapon, there isnt any reason to be bothered with by this practice (link)

Can you explain the difference?

...an awful lot of people think the citizen is subordinate to the state.


Which was the purpose of the bill of rights, to say; not in this nation. Unless we change those rights through the amendment process.

 

[Larry Gude]

Nope...

Doesn't refusing to submit to the search qualify as a reasonable suspicion? If you have nothing to hide you would let the police do their jobs, right? If you don't let them in, you must be up to no good.

...because there is no point in having the right to refuse if refusal is de facto reasonable suspicion.

 

[Larry Gude]

You'll have...

Can you explain the difference?

...to have that argument with the people who took those positions. As for the one that pertained to me, I still say the same thing, if someone can see you public communications, like a smoke signal, like a cell phone conversation, you're free to try and code them, but I don't expect a right to privacy in terms of disallowing them to be seen and read, as per the link referencing what I said, much like what you say in a bar.

 

[Larry Gude]

Yup...

Did you click the links Larry?

...see other post. You're very impatient today.

 

[Larry Gude]

Certainly...

That last link wasnt pertaining to you, i (kinda) agree with you. it was supposed to link to this one.

I edited my post

...you made your point. Certainly, Fenty has a soul mate in Bush in terms of unfettered governmental power. Maybe not in specifics, but for sure in spirit.

I have to live with voting for Bush the rest of my life. That is, to be sure, no endorsement of St. Gore or Jay Effing K, but, damn, Bush truly has terrified me with his ideas and mindset.

 

[itsbob]

SAF founder Alan Gottlieb condemned the plan as “a public relations effort designed to influence, through crass dramatics, Tuesday’s scheduled oral arguments on the constitutionality of the District’s handgun ban before the Supreme Court.”

“Launching this effort,” he stated, “on the eve of Supreme Court arguments over the city’s horribly failed handgun ban underscores the Draconian mentality that lies at the root of gun laws like the District handgun ban. Arthur B. Spitzer with the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, D.C. was right when he told the Washington Post that this ’sends a message to the public that the police ought to be able to search your house anytime for any reason’.”

Spitzer suggested that citizens will be intimidated into allowing police into their homes without warrant. He said it “cheapens civil liberties and privacy for everyone.” District resident Ronald Hampton, executive director of the National Black Police Association, told the newspaper that he would not allow his home to be searched.

Liberty For All » Blog Archive » Citizens’ group calls DC residential gun search an exercise in ‘police state demagoguery’

They echo my thoughts.. pretty ballsy, and transparent that they are doing this WHILE the Supreme Court is hearing arguments about the legality of their anti-gun laws.

Wait, if they find ANY guns, the press releases will be astronomical.

 

[Kerad]

Well some would argue :

• how would they know if they have Illegal weapons or not if they dont search for them (link)
• Or that they are only searching Suspected Criminals (link) "The paranoia is fascinating"
• The End justifies the Means (link)
• The founders didnt envision Urban crime, as long as it saves lives (link)
• No one should be uncomfortable with this, as long as they arent doing anything illegal (link)
• Some are even comfortable with these intrusions to our rights (link)
• Those same feel safter with these intrusions (link)
• DC has a very good reason to be suspicious enought to ask people these questions (link)
• DC's crime problems are more important than your rights anyways (link) love that one
• This DC Police practice doesnt interfere with your Freedoms (link)
• If DC doesnt do this then we're all Dead (link)
• Only Paranoid people would be worried by this practice (link)
• As long as you dont have an illegal weapon, there isnt any reason to be bothered with by this practice (link)

Can you explain the difference?

I instantly thought Vrai would be all for these searches.

 

[RadioPatrol]

“Launching this effort,” he stated, “on the eve of Supreme Court arguments over the city’s horribly failed handgun ban underscores the Draconian mentality that lies at the root of gun laws like the District handgun ban. Arthur B. Spitzer with the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington, D.C. was right when he told the Washington Post that this ’sends a message to the public that the police ought to be able to search your house anytime for any reason’.”

Liberty For All » Blog Archive » Citizens’ group calls DC residential gun search an exercise in ‘police state demagoguery’

 

[AK-74me]

Wonder if there are any cops left that will choose not to participate in this and protect the constution they are sworn to uphold rather than the demands of the current overlords!?!?

 

[Larry Gude]

They'd...

Wonder if there are any cops left that will choose not to participate in this and protect the constution they are sworn to uphold rather than the demands of the current overlords!?!?

...likely dampen their promotion prospects. Cops and soldiers depend, more than most, on how we, the people vote because they are on the pointy end and there's just not a whole lot of room for debates.

 

[AK-74me]

...likely dampen their promotion prospects. Cops and soldiers depend, more than most, on how we, the people vote because they are on the pointy end and there's just not a whole lot of room for debates.

Yeah, like Tianamen Square soldiers???

I guess I'd be in jail or executed by now, if I was a solider in China in 1989.

 

[Larry Gude]

I'm sure...

Yeah, like Tianamen Square soldiers???

I guess I'd be in jail or executed by now, if I was a solider in China in 1989.

...it happened. The guys that's just shut up and do it usually know what happens if you don't.


BTW; what's with the SEAL pic from Afghanistan?

 

[itsbob]

I think someone should go to one of the Mayor's/ Police Chief's meetings, and say.. "Our anti-gun laws have done the trick, it's time to take the final step to a truly gun free city. Time for the Police Chief and the rest of her police force to turn in their guns." I mean since the criminals don't have guns, why do the police need them??

Let's see how receptive THEY are to being left defenseless.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ok...

I think someone should go to one of the Mayor's/ Police Chief's meetings, and say.. "Our anti-gun laws have done the trick, it's time to take the final step to a truly gun free city. Time for the Police Chief and the rest of her police force to turn in their guns." I mean since the criminals don't have guns, why do the police need them??

Let's see how receptive THEY are to being left defenseless.

...but that is the HUGE point that never gets any MMS attention;

"Tonight on Dateline; Why the mayor, rich people and Rosie O'Donnell and their loved ones are worth protecting...and you're not."

I mean, so much for we, the people. It's just fascinating how huge parts of stories just not only get left out of sound bites but never make it into the larger debate either.