Dead Kennedys

[cwo_ghwebb]

So you need to do reseach and not comment on things you don't know about,look up the Bay of Pigs ,all families have problems look at the Bushs, Reagans,Nixons.

and Carter and Clinton. Selective memory I guess.

My wife never understood the fascination with Jackie O. In her opinion the lady was classy but not even pretty. She says Laura Bush has more class and is more beautiful.

 

[toppick08]

and Carter and Clinton. Selective memory I guess.

My wife never understood the fascination with Jackie O. In her opinion the lady was classy but not even pretty. She says Laura Bush has more class and is more beautiful.

 

[Larry Gude]

Keith...

I don't get it, and it should embarrass us as a nation that we bow down to this dysfunctional family of druggies, drunkards and philanderers. Is it just cult of personality? Or am I missing something?

...Olbermann in one of his daily tirades, I guess a couple days ago, revealed the essence of Kennedy worship. He was berating Hillary and her ruthless ambition and how hurtful it was along with ripping her for her allusion to RFK's assassination. He boiled it all down to the one thing that most human beings share; A deep desire to believe in something which Obama represents. Never mind no one knows what that is; it's SOMETHING.

People still want to believe in Camelot, they want to believe in Jack, they want to believe in the promise, the dream that was to be Bobby. They wanted to believe in the Clinton's.

It's that simple as for WHY they are worshiped; need to believe.

The embarrassing part is the belief is often very poorly placed. Look at Che. Most kids think of him as this freedom fighter during the Cuban revolution, cool, jungle guy who helped beat down 'the man'. Few know he's not even Cuban. Fewer still know that, in terms of what he actually was, that he is one of history's darker figures; a political assassin.

Few Jack and Bobby worshippers know that the two of them sat in the oval office and plotted, on a regular basis, how to assassinate Fidel Castro who is a whole lot closer to the image they have of Che than Che ever was. The President of the United States of American and his Attorney General, his brother, schemed the murder of a political foe on a very personal level. It's not like they gave an order; get it done. They discussed the details. Hell, the left doesn't even wanna talk about Jack being one of the greatest tax cutters of our history, a, perhaps, darker evil.

Lenin, Stalin, there is a lot of misplaced hero worship on the left and among the young; They, by and large, do not believe in a God because that is simply too implausible, yet, there still is this need, this desire to believe and they place it in people far more implausible than God.

Now, why? I have always thought that kids and academics tend to worship and be intrigued by people who held out the promise of never having to do things you don't want to do. Like get a job. And go to it every day. And take on responsibility.

Americans didn't start 'worshipping' people, on fairly large scales, who did not deserve it until the 1960's. Even the communists of post WWI America didn't worship icons; they simply, and sincerely, wanted, somehow, control over the output of the working class for the benefit of the working class.

If you think that through and you're a communist and you need popular support, what better way than the same way advertising works; you develop the brand and you use symbols and icons to sell it.

So, throw in millions of kids and older folks who do NOT want to work and plod along like dad did and were trapped like mom was, never mind every one in the rest of the world would take nearly any risk to get here, yet they still needed something to believe in, a purpose, and have that confluence of communists needing the young and stupid and offering them exactly what they crave; a paradise, a belief in it.

Viola.

 

[MMDad]

look up the Bay of Pigs

What a dismal failure. Thanks for reminding us just how bad he was.

He went to Vienna and showed Khruschchev he was weak, and that directly caused the Cuban missile crisis.

Add Vietnam to the list.....

What is a positive about Kennedy? Other than having a hot wife?

 

[Bavarian]

You had to be there to understand the mystique of Camalot. If JFK was alive today, the Democrat party would have no place for him, he was more conservative then some RINO's are now. He cut taxes, etc. He was spared the blame for Vietnam which LBJ inherited. It was a wrenching time for the country when he was assisinated, we were all glued to the T.V. for several days. Not so much with Bobby Kennedy, probably because of all the other events of 1968, the Incredible Year.
These comments show how young some of you are, if you can't remember JFK's assisination. I had a friend who used that as his main criteria for dating a girl, she had to remember JFK's Assisination.
This is as interesting as watching what year people look at at Bob Evan's.

Don't forget the televised tour of the White House led by Jackie.
JFK was also the first president to have a live, televised, news conference. The Kennedy's were the first television administration.

Ted is the last brother, and he reminds people of the 60's, even though he has strayed far from the ideas of his brothers and needs to repent.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Sure, Jack was handsome as hell and a cool rich Harvard hottie who married a woman he didn't deserve.
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I dont quite get that statement.

What was it he didnt deserve.? Jackie was no prize. Certainly she knew about his philandering, she was having men brought through the back gate while JFK was having them escorted through the front, and getting Frank Sinatra and Peter Lawford to pimp for him.

Watch her TV documentary where she takes the tour of the White house, She is so phony, Her voice , her actions. What a phony.

Jack died and she married Aristotle Onassis a rich old geek ,er Greek. Whatever ,after he paid 12 Million dollars for her. Just a whore. A high priced one mind you,but a whore. When she died she was living with a married man.

Class???? I dont see it. Just another slut in the mold of Paris Hilton. Only Paris Hilton is better looking. Bobbie,?? he took JFK's leftovers. Probably got him killed when they double-crossed the Mafia, trying to make a name for himself. Who knows, ? but you can bet the Godfathers were happy to see him gone.

 

[Lenny]

...He boiled it all down to the one thing that most human beings share; A deep desire to believe in something which Obama represents.

....THIS Obama?

 

[Otter]

....THIS Obama?

Perfect...

 

[Larry Gude]

And the thing...

....THIS Obama?

...is, how do you hold them accountable for putting him up there after how our guy turned out? If we know so little about a person and everything we thought we knew about what 6 years of GOP leadership would amount to, where do we even begin to deign to just know how bad their guy will be?

 

[Lenny]

.. after how our guy turned out?

How our guy turned out? Bush had a long history as governor of Texas which was not a lot different than his behavior as President. If nobody checked him out before voting for him, it's patently unfair to characterize him like he was some kind of turncoat once he gained the Oval. If you feel betrayed, don't blame Bush.

 

[Larry Gude]

I was...

How our guy turned out? Bush had a long history as governor of Texas which was not a lot different than his behavior as President. If nobody checked him out before voting for him, it's patently unfair to characterize him like he was some kind of turncoat once he gained the Oval. If you feel betrayed, don't blame Bush.

...unaware he took Texas off to some half azz war where the goal was as much UN mission as actual fight.

I was unaware he tried to farm out some state security functions to a foreign government.

I was unaware he took Texas far down the path of police state.

I was unaware that he exploded the size of the state government.

I was aware that he was good pals with Mexico, though I was unaware his idea of border control was a good old fashioned 'ole'.

I was aware he worked with Democrats in the state which means he probably ####ed over the Texas GOP as bad as he has the national party.

Kind of a mixed bag in my view.

 

[Bann]

Help me understand.

Sure, Jack was handsome as hell and a cool rich Harvard hottie who married a woman he didn't deserve, and RFK was significantly brighter than his older brother. But what did either do that would earn the immortal adoration they seem to inspire?

Teddy has ridden the J/RFK train his whole career, and he's the biggest sot that ever hit Congress, and hasn't done squat to recommend him for a position higher than Mickey D intern. Yet he is revered because he's a Kennedy.

That effing retard Kathleen Kennedy Townsend should be in a home right this very minute, yet she was our LtGov and came within a RCH of beating Ehrlich for the Governorship. Because she's a Kennedy.

I don't get it, and it should embarrass us as a nation that we bow down to this dysfunctional family of druggies, drunkards and philanderers. Is it just cult of personality? Or am I missing something?

I think the worshipping of the Kennedys or familys like them, and that time gone by is nearly over, as the baby boomers age & the 24/7 cable media sheds light on all the dysfunction.

But boy - I can sure see how it all developed. I was in the northeast for a graduation a week ago and had a chance to visit Newport, RI. We drove along the coast where all the mansions are and visited "The Breakers", the Vanderbilt mansion. (was with friends, who had visited other mansions on previous trips up there) This particular mansion was a 1-acre "home" built on 13 acres of land right on the atlantic coast. OMG, some of those homes are just breathtaking. And these were just "summer" homes inhabited, for the most part, only for about 6-8 weeks of the year! And of course, in the case of the Vanderbilts - their "main home" was in NY and was over 100 rooms or something like that. Unbelievable. I have no problem with people who have the means and wealth to afford such over-the-top luxury - it's their money & so forth. Actually, a lot of the furnishings & interior design of this particular home were gaudy, while some were very beautiful. But I got sidetracked at times thinking of more mundane things.

Like - how in the world do you keep track of 2, 3, 4 or 5 children in a huge mansion with 80 rooms? (on 13 acres near the cliffs of the atlantic ocean, no less!) You have nannies & other people. How can you possibly clean a house that big? You have maids, servants. Just how the heck do you cook for the amount of people you have there at one time? And on & on. And of course, when you live in a privileged situation and grow up with an entitlement mentality, with whatever your heart desires - there is bound to be corruption of morals, values, etc.

I think the Kennedys & other familys like them had a lot of privileges because of their wealth. Even though Rose Kennedy was supposedly a saintly woman, a devout Catholic & believed in giving service to others, I don't believe the Patriarch, Joseph was that way. I believe he was, like many wealthy men of that time, power-hungry, corrupt & all sorts of other negative adjectives and forced his (male) children to fufill dreams of his.

I guess all the "common people" came to worship all the wealthy people of those times, since they seemed like royalty to them. I'm sure there was always those who "knew the truth", but along with all that wealth, came the power to control what information about their family became public and to control any negative information that got out. (the mentally handicapped daughter, Chappaquiddick, etc.)

 

[Mateo]

I think the worshipping of the Kennedys or familys like them, and that time gone by is nearly over, as the baby boomers age & the 24/7 cable media sheds light on all the dysfunction.

But boy - I can sure see how it all developed. I was in the northeast for a graduation a week ago and had a chance to visit Newport, RI. We drove along the coast where all the mansions are and visited "The Breakers", the Vanderbilt mansion. (was with friends, who had visited other mansions on previous trips up there) This particular mansion was a 1-acre "home" built on 13 acres of land right on the atlantic coast. OMG, some of those homes are just breathtaking. And these were just "summer" homes inhabited, for the most part, only for about 6-8 weeks of the year! And of course, in the case of the Vanderbilts - their "main home" was in NY and was over 100 rooms or something like that. Unbelievable. I have no problem with people who have the means and wealth to afford such over-the-top luxury - it's their money & so forth. Actually, a lot of the furnishings & interior design of this particular home were gaudy, while some were very beautiful. But I got sidetracked at times thinking of more mundane things.

Like - how in the world do you keep track of 2, 3, 4 or 5 children in a huge mansion with 80 rooms? (on 13 acres near the cliffs of the atlantic ocean, no less!) You have nannies & other people. How can you possibly clean a house that big? You have maids, servants. Just how the heck do you cook for the amount of people you have there at one time? And on & on. And of course, when you live in a privileged situation and grow up with an entitlement mentality, with whatever your heart desires - there is bound to be corruption of morals, values, etc.

I think the Kennedys & other familys like them had a lot of privileges because of their wealth. Even though Rose Kennedy was supposedly a saintly woman, a devout Catholic & believed in giving service to others, I don't believe the Patriarch, Joseph was that way. I believe he was, like many wealthy men of that time, power-hungry, corrupt & all sorts of other negative adjectives and forced his (male) children to fufill dreams of his.

I guess all the "common people" came to worship all the wealthy people of those times, since they seemed like royalty to them. I'm sure there was always those who "knew the truth", but along with all that wealth, came the power to control what information about their family became public and to control any negative information that got out. (the mentally handicapped daughter, Chappaquiddick, etc.)

Not all baby boomers are Kennedy worshippers...in fact some of us got smart after we got our first jobs and realized the entitlement state(Camelot) was all hogwash.
I was fortunate to know a few of the veterans from "La Bahia de Cochinos" debacle, and they were not fond of Arthur reborn either.
So please, don't paint all boomers with the same broad brush.

 

[Bann]

Not all baby boomers are Kennedy worshippers...
So please, don't paint all boomers with the same broad brush.

I wasn't painting anyone with a broad brush. I was only using that group of people (baby boomers) because we -and our parents remember that era more than the generations who were born & grew up after us. That's all.

 

[Penn]

I wasn't painting anyone with a broad brush. I was only using that group of people (baby boomers) because we -and our parents remember that era more than the generations who were born & grew up after us. That's all.

I think one thing we all have to remember - was that there was no internet back then, and it seems to me, at least, the mainstream media was not as intrusive into personal lives as it has become, up to this day.

Sure, there were rumors about JFK's escapades with Marylin Monroe and others, but the press didn't seem so willing to dig, dig, dig, until they were able to get something juicy enough to plaster all over the news at 6:00pm that evening.

 

[Giantone]

and Carter and Clinton. Selective memory I guess.

My wife never understood the fascination with Jackie O. In her opinion the lady was classy but not even pretty. She says Laura Bush has more class and is more beautiful.

No selective memory and frankly anyone that use his "wifes" opinion instead of his own needs in a forum needs to search for his manhood.

 

[Giantone]

Daddy Bought them their political lives, with all the money he made running Rum across the great lakes during Prohibition ....

yeah run over by a destroyer in a PT Boat, makes him a Hero ..... but they played on it, to make him something he was not .... to make him better to the public ...

The Pt-109 inncident was brought to light by his mates on the Boat,family didn't have a thing to do with it. John ,Teddy ,Robert ...alll had problems but no one had to make them better to the public.I find it funny a bunch of people on a message board who are ignorant of the times ,family and goings on of the Kennedy family pass judgment on a man just diagnosed with a brain tumor......real classy.Would any of you want for your own families what has happen to theirs?They thought they could make a difference and like it or not they did.
People have always hated the Kennedys J Edger was a big one,don't put it past him .He was jealous he hated JFK becuase of his Dad and becuase he started the NSA becuase he couldn't trust Hoover and the FBI .The People in Mass must think Teddy knew something they kept re-electing him.The Kennedys like it or not have given hope to the people of this country...more than once and paid for it with their lives.

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

No selective memory and frankly anyone that use his "wifes" opinion instead of his own needs in a forum needs to search for his manhood.

My wife doesn't post. I'll post her opinions when pertinent to the thread.



I'll 'find' my manhood after I 'lose' it. You'll have to do better than that to start a flame war.

 

[Giantone]

My wife doesn't post. I'll post her opinions when pertinent to the thread.



I'll 'find' my manhood after I 'lose' it. You'll have to do better than that to start a flame war.

Not starting anything,most men post their own opinions.

 

[MMDad]

The Pt-109 inncident was brought to light by his mates on the Boat,family didn't have a thing to do with it.

Did you know that the word "gullible" isn't in the dictionary?