Dear God

rack'm

Jaded
Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at...

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96

Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97

Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97

West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97

Stamps, Arkansas 12/15/97

Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98

Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98

Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98

Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98

Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98
Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99

Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99

Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99

Deming, New Mexico 11/19/99

Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99

Santee, California 3/5/01 and

El Cajon, California 3/22/01?

Sincerely,

Concerned Student

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Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God
 

PJay

Well-Known Member
P.S. Soon I'll be kicked out of your Country.

When this happens, I wouldn't want to be an American. :whistle:

Sincerely,

God
 

tirdun

staring into the abyss
Dear God,
Why didn't you save the people in church at:

Fort Worth, TX: Sept 1999
Rochester Hills, Michigan: April 2003
Atlanta, GA: Oct 2003
Honey Grove, TX: Aug 2005
Brookfield, Wisconsin: March 2005

Sincerely,

Concerned Parishoner

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Reply:

???
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
tirdun said:
Dear God,
Why didn't you save the people in church at:

Fort Worth, TX: Sept 1999
Rochester Hills, Michigan: April 2003
Atlanta, GA: Oct 2003
Honey Grove, TX: Aug 2005
Brookfield, Wisconsin: March 2005

Sincerely,

Concerned Parishoner

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Reply:

???
You always seem to look to disparage God and those that believe.

Death is the result of sin. Period. The earth, for a time, is satan's territory. Satan is a deceiver, liar, and likes to do nothing more than cause people pain and suffering. Many we encounter are demons that look like humans or humans that are possessed. Demons do bad things to people.

Were the people that caused these deaths demons or demon possessed? I don't know but probably.

Fact is very, very few get out of this life alive. There were two in the Old Testament; Enoch (Genesis 5:24) and Elijah (2 Kings 2:11). Even Jesus died; He gave up His life on the cross, and then was resurrected and then went back to heaven. So does it really matter when or where you die or by what manner? No. It is going to happen. Jesus told us:

Matthew 10:28

<sup id="en-NASB-23446">28</sup>"Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Questions like the one you pose are irrelevant in the grand scheme of life.

The real question of life that all must face is when you die, where will you spend eternity? Will you accept God's gift of salvation through His sacrifice on the cross or will you reject it? That is the ultimate decision we must all make.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
Homesick said:
Religion yes, but not God.

Curious, how do you grade the country today?
I think the country is great. You will always have wack jobs.

Violence in schools will not be combated by prayer, but by proper parenting.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
I think the country is great. You will always have wack jobs.

Violence in schools will not be combated by prayer, but by proper parenting.
But "proper parenting" is a relative thing unless there is a standard of morality. Without a standard, which is one thing religion provides, morality is relative.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
2ndAmendment said:
But "proper parenting" is a relative thing unless there is a standard of morality. Without a standard, which is one thing religion provides, morality is relative.
It is possible to have a standard of morality without religion.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
It is possible to have a standard of morality without religion.
I guess, but whose? Who decides? You? Majority rule? Will minorities go along with the majority? Who will file suit? A historical standard is best in my opinion; the Ten Commandments are the root of our legal system whether people like it or not. Most other laws have been written trying to enforce 10.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
2ndAmendment said:
I guess, but whose? Who decides? You? Majority rule? Will minorities go along with the majority? Who will file suit? A historical standard is best in my opinion; the Ten Commandments are the root of our legal system whether people like it or not. Most other laws have been written trying to enforce 10.
I'm not against the 10. Most of them are good. I say that obviously because the one's about idolotry I wouldn't apply. What I'm saying is that there is no need to impose a diety in order to do this. The foundation is already laid, and can be followed secularly. You only need religion to establish the moral code, which was done centuries ago.
 

soul4sale

New Member
2ndAmendment said:
A historical standard is best in my opinion; the Ten Commandments are the root of our legal system whether people like it or not.

Really? Never heard of coveting...is that a felony or misdemeanor? Must not be enforced. Guess it would make maintaining a market economy pretty hard. And what happened to parental dishonor? Is that ever prosecuted?

As for the four about gods, idols, the Sabbath, and cursing, I'd say our Constitution with all of its crazy religious protections did away with those right neatly.

That leaves us with prohibitions on lying, stealing, murder and adultry. Huh, I think Hammurabi (http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM) beat the Jews by a millenium or so. Guess those concepts are pretty universal.

So, what exactly leads you to believe that the 10 Commandments have an exclusive or even significant bearing on our civil and penal codes?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Bustem' Down said:
I'm not against the 10. Most of them are good. I say that obviously because the one's about idolotry I wouldn't apply. What I'm saying is that there is no need to impose a diety in order to do this. The foundation is already laid, and can be followed secularly. You only need religion to establish the moral code, which was done centuries ago.
But you have those like Michael Newdow that will not accept even that standard.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
2ndAmendment said:
But you have those like Michael Newdow that will not accept even that standard.
They are just dis-illusioned. You cannot irradicate religion. The same rules of the Ten Commandments are seen in all major religions both ancient and modern. Not believing in God doesn't change the fact that basic moral behavior is founded in religion.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
soul4sale said:
Really? Never heard of coveting...is that a felony or misdemeanor?
Basis for theft.
soul4sale said:
That leaves us with prohibitions on lying, stealing, murder and adultry.
Each of those are codified in law.
soul4sale said:
So, what exactly leads you to believe that the 10 Commandments have an exclusive or even significant bearing on our civil and penal codes?
How about this:
When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bonds which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. -- Excerpt from the U.S. Declaration of Independence.
 

slotted

New Member
Why Christians cannot account for morality
by Francois Tremblay



There are many reasons why Christianity is immoral, amoral, disgusting, and does not pertain to morality at all. However, I want to focus specifically on accounting for the existence of morality. Two specific points : moral autonomy and basic assumptions.
p(cont).

1. As much as presuppositionalists rant against moral autonomy and freethought, we are all morally autonomous – at least, every single person able to read this blog and understand it. Ironically, we simply have no choice in this matter. Whatever standard of morality we follow, was chosen on the basis of one’s values. When the Christian asks us to surrender our moral autonomy to follow Christian doctrines, he is asking for a contradiction. To follow Christianity itself, or to continue to follow it (in the cases of childhood brainwashing) is a choice.

Christianity, then, is inscribed within a larger moral context, of which it is but one little subset. CHRISTIANITY CANNOT BE THE “FIRST CAUSE” OF MORALITY. Insofar as the Christian must, then, borrow from our secular worldviews in order to make the decision of following his religion, he is contradicting himself, and cannot account for that decision by using Christianity. Thus Christianity cannot, and necessarily so because it is a religion and not a necessity, account for its own moral validity.
You can find more here.
 
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