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tirdun

staring into the abyss
2ndAmendment said:
You always seem to look to disparage God and those that believe.

I'm disparaging the logic of the original post. The post is arguing that God is willfully allowing the killing of schoolchildren as a punishment for legislature banning teachers preaching to students. It assumes that God was previously protecting children, but because lawmakers have decided that organized prayer in school should not be allowed, God is either now incapable of being present or unwilling to take action where previously he would/could. Pointing out that churches somehow do not share this protection, regardless of the legality of praying in church, illustrates some of the post's problems.

Further, this little bit of glurge presents an ugly idea of a creator. The idea that God is allowing murder when he could, and by definition should, stop it presents Him as evil and tyrannical.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
tirdun said:
I'm disparaging the logic of the original post. ...

Further, this little bit of glurge presents an ugly idea of a creator. The idea that God is allowing murder when he could, and by definition should, stop it presents Him as evil and tyrannical.
God does not circumvent free will although there have been some times where He has intervened in events for His own purposes.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
tlatchaw said:
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, and Peter were all disciples that knew Jesus personally. All have books in the NT, and all have been confirmed (admittedly not without some debate) as NT authors in addition to Paul.
They are refering to the theory that the books themselves were not written until appox. 60 years after the death of Christ at the earliest and thet when they were written it was from 2nd and 3rd hand accounts passed down by word of mouth. This is still a matter of debate in both theological circles and historical circles. There's has been no hard facts stating one way or the other.
 

tirdun

staring into the abyss
2ndAmendment said:
God does not circumvent free will although there have been some times where He has intervened in events for His own purposes.

Again, the original post suggested that God was unwilling or unable to protect the schools as a direct result of human laws. Either because He was directly constrained by them or because He was outraged by the laws and thus removed his protection in some petulant act of retribution. Not due to free will (which would not have been changed by the prayer issue) or any other reason.

The logic of the message goes:

- God once gave direct protection to schoolchildren.
- Man passed laws that outlaw teacher led prayer
- God's protection of schoolchildren ceased.

Conclusion:
1- God now does not have the power to protect schoolchildren.
or
2- God now does not have the desire to protect schoolchildren.

I believe that both conclusions are invalid. Thus the original options are wrong. I assume that the original post is supposed to get you thinking about something, but I argue that it is illogical and directly contradicts the idea of a loving God. This has nothing to do with free will, since God's (later to be revoked) protection of the schools/churches suggested by the post contradicts free will.
 
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2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
tirdun said:
Again, the original post suggested that God was unwilling or unable to protect the schools as a direct result of human laws. Either because He was directly constrained by them or because He was outraged by the laws and thus removed his protection in some petulant act of retribution.
I saw the original post as drawing attention to the fact that violence and general anarchy have increase dramatically in schools since prayer was removed from schools. There has been a gradual decline in the moral fiber of the people in the United States since the removal of prayer from schools.

I have posted before that some students used to take guns to school in order to hunt before and after school when I was in school. No one ever thought of using one in a fight. We just had a different mind set. I knew that my parents would punish me again if I got punished at school. Two for one special every time all the time, so I did not get into trouble. I also knew that if I did something wrong on the other side of the block, I could just as easily get a swat on the back end from Mrs. Phelps or Mrs. Land as my own mother, and if I got one from them, I would probably get another two for one special. Our "village" really did raise us.

It all started to change with the removal of school prayer and busy bodies filing criminal charges against parents spanking or slapping their children. We are getting the anarchy that our society has bred, and we wonder why.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
2ndAmendment said:
It all started to change with the removal of school prayer and busy bodies filing criminal charges against parents spanking or slapping their children. We are getting the anarchy that our society has bred, and we wonder why.
I disagree with the school prayer becuase we never had prayer in school, and never had a problem with guns.
 

soul4sale

New Member
2ndAmendment said:
Isn't amazing how satan comes out with "people" like slotted and soul4sale? The ID soul4sale says it all; guess he/she already got a buyer.

Nobody's offered a good enough deal. So how about you, 2nd? Does your handle define you as a gun-obsessed paranoid?

I don't know about slotted's condition, lost, demon possessed, or demon living as human.

Wait, nevermind. I think you just answered my question...
 
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