Democrats are stupid: example #2,943

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Don’t Mock the Payroll Protection Program



Baked into this critique is another implication: the PPP was a giveaway to the rich while canceling student loans will benefit working and middle-class individuals. By highlighting how large some of the PPP loans were, Democrats are denigrating the 2020 program and making it plausible for left-leaning voters and institutions to mock the concept of blanket pandemic relief. Downstream from the White House messaging, one recent viral political cartoon conflated PPP-loan forgiveness with “billionaire tax breaks” and “corporate subsidies.”

The Biden White House is consciously — or unconsciously — creating a dangerous and misleading narrative on the left that may undercut future disaster-aid efforts. Student loans should be forgiven, but they were not designed to be; PPP loans very much were. It is better to conceive of the PPP loans as a mass bailout absent means-testing, the type that cried out for far more federal oversight but may have saved the country. Despite the program’s waste and lack of focus, many deserving workers and businesses still managed to benefit.

It is ironic, in some sense, that it’s only the Republicans defending the $800 billion Payroll Protection Program passed in the earliest weeks of the COVID-19 pandemic (with strong support from House Democrats and Senate Republicans alike). At the time, the economy was teetering on the brink of a second Great Depression. Schools were closing, and city centers were emptying out. Restaurants, bars, gyms, hotels, and movie theaters were shuttered indefinitely. Business shutdowns never witnessed in modern times were underway.

In such dire circumstances, Congress had to act quickly. The PPP, signed into law by President Donald Trump, was designed to pump cash at a rapid clip into as many businesses in need as possible. The goal was simple: Prevent mass layoffs.

Acting in such haste, lawmakers created a bailout fund that was easily exploited by nefarious actors. Two-thirds of the $800 billion ended up in the hands of business owners and shareholders. A postal-service employee received an $82,900 loan for a business called “U.S. Postal Services.” A man in Georgia spent $57,000 in PPP loans on a rare Pokémon card. And Tom Brady’s company took out an enormous PPP loan of almost $1 million, feeding into the perception that the ultrawealthy were getting fat off of pandemic aid.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

No, PPP Doesn't Justify Biden's Student Loan Bailout



And yet, advocates for the student loan forgiveness program announced by President Joe Biden this week keep bringing up the Paycheck Protection Program as if it somehow justifies this latest expensive government bailout. It started, as most stupid arguments do, on Twitter, where progressive activists, advocacy groups like the Center for American Progress, and lawmakers like Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) made the comparison in various ways. "If we could afford to cancel hundreds of billions in PPP loans to business owners in their time of need, please do not tell me we can't afford to cancel all student debt for 45 million Americans," Sanders tweeted on Tuesday.

That's a silly argument, of course. The federal government can afford to do a lot of things. Governing is about setting priorities; deciding which things are both affordable and worth doing.

By the end of the week, however, the White House had adopted the Paycheck Protection Program comparison as a key talking point in defending the student loan bailout. Over the past two days, the White House's official Twitter account has called out Republican members of Congress who received Paycheck Protection Program loans and later had those loans forgiven.

Yes, it's admittedly fun to watch Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R–Ga.) get dunked on, but this comparison wouldn't make much sense even if the Paycheck Protection Program had been a success—which, again, it wasn't.

For one, the loans were a response to an unexpected emergency, and they were intended to make whole individuals who were put out of work, in many cases, by the government's own decision to force businesses to close. As you're probably aware, the government does not force anyone to take out a student loan. (In fairness, the federal subsidized loan programs do create bad incentives for borrowers, but that's not quite the same.)

Additionally, the loans handed out by the Paycheck Protection Program and subsequently forgiven were a temporary thing. If the analogy to student debt relief is accurate, then the government would have to also stop handing out discounted student loans that have warped the marketplace and created this entire mess. That would be a good idea! Too bad it isn't happening.

Instead, Biden has announced a series of changes in how future loan repayment will work that could unspool into a major disaster for colleges and students by causing schools to hike tuition to astronomical levels. Even progressive policy wonks like Matt Bruenig are already expressing concern about this possibility.

The Paycheck Protection Program might have been a wasteful exercise, but the fact that it was a temporary program meant that it did not create ongoing perverse incentives in the marketplace. A business owner couldn't keep her business closed indefinitely and collect ever-larger loans under the program, but colleges will absolutely raise tuition prices and keep collecting growing piles of money from students getting government-subsidized loans—heck, that's what colleges have been doing for years.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

EXCLUSIVE: It pays to be rich! America's wealthiest, including Tom Brady, Khloe Kardashian, Reese Witherspoon, Kanye and Nancy Pelosi's husband took millions in PPP loans – and nearly all have been forgiven

  • Celebrities including Kanye West, Jay-Z and Khloe Kardashian received millions in government PPP (Payment Protection Program) loans, set up for desperate businesses hit by the Covid pandemic
  • DailyMail.com can now reveal the exact amounts that these millionaires took out via the government program
  • Kanye West's Yeezy LLC borrowed $2,363,585, with $1,772,689 being spent on payroll for 106 staff
  • Khloe Kardashian's denim brand Good American LLC had a loan of $1,245,405 approved on April 14, 2020, mostly for the payroll of 57 workers. The full amount, plus interest, was forgiven
  • In most cases, the loans have been 'forgiven' so the full amount, including interest, will not have to be repaid, despite the owners' wealth
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member

EXCLUSIVE: It pays to be rich! America's wealthiest, including Tom Brady, Khloe Kardashian, Reese Witherspoon, Kanye and Nancy Pelosi's husband took millions in PPP loans – and nearly all have been forgiven

  • Celebrities including Kanye West, Jay-Z and Khloe Kardashian received millions in government PPP (Payment Protection Program) loans, set up for desperate businesses hit by the Covid pandemic
  • DailyMail.com can now reveal the exact amounts that these millionaires took out via the government program
  • Kanye West's Yeezy LLC borrowed $2,363,585, with $1,772,689 being spent on payroll for 106 staff
  • Khloe Kardashian's denim brand Good American LLC had a loan of $1,245,405 approved on April 14, 2020, mostly for the payroll of 57 workers. The full amount, plus interest, was forgiven
  • In most cases, the loans have been 'forgiven' so the full amount, including interest, will not have to be repaid, despite the owners' wealth
So what? I thought you just said they were designed to be forgiven and given to people who had legitimate businesses?

Matt Gaetz has no business and no employees unlike all the people above. Thanks for proving my point

Why don't you ever make any sense?
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member

Firms tied to Democratic lawmakers, their spouses got millions in PPP loans


WASHINGTON — A handful of businesses associated with Democratic lawmakers collected millions of dollars worth of Paycheck Protection Program loans after it was revealed House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband also benefited from the stimulus deal.

Companies linked to Reps. Matt Cartwright (D. Pa), Conor Lamb (D. Pa), TJ Cox (D. Calif) and Harley Rouda (D. Calif) received coronavirus loans, as did the family law firm of New York Democratic Rep. Anthony Brindisi, according to the data released by the Small Business Administration on Monday.

Businesses linked to Cox collected up to $1.7 million in federal bailouts. His Madera nut processing factory received a loan between $100,000 and $350,000, as did an assisted living center of which he still has a financial stake worth up to $1 million, SBA and financial disclosure filings show.
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
Gaetz DID NOT GET A PPP LOAN Dumb ass ......

He received $476,000 all of which was forgiven despite having no business and no employees.

Why do you continue to allow these people to take you for a sucker? And then turn around and support them in their lies?
 

StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
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StmarysCity79

Well-Known Member
then you should be able to point to the SBA Record showing Matt Gaetz received a PPP Loan
Why?

You'll just the SBA planted it. Or the FBI is in on it. or the IRS is out to get him. Or the internet faked it

Trump has turned you against every institution and person on the planet except him. You are too far gone to reason with.

I'll wait until Trump posts next on Truthsocial to hear what your next argument and talking points are.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
You'll just the SBA planted it.


So you are a lying sack of Shite .....

Trump has turned you against every institution and person on the planet except him. You are too far gone to reason with.

Sorry Shite head, I never voted for Trump

yeah keep claiming everyone who disagrees with you is controled by someone else ...... while you parrot WH talking points with no facts
 

phreddyp

Well-Known Member
It's funny how angry you get when logic and reason shows your buzzwords like socialism, groomer and all the rest are shown to be hypocritical and nothing more than talking points.
Please show the world where I posted them, I'll give you some time !
 
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