Democrats have lost the black vote

[PeoplesElbow]

No, but Trump does have a strong base.

It always surprises me that supposedly intelligent people who say they want change for the country and their own neighborhoods are vehemently opposed to him. I can only think it's because of the heavy media dogpile brainwashing, because humans largely obey their masters. But Trump's agenda - and what he actually accomplished, or tried to accomplish and was shut down by the establishment politicians - is directly in line with what these people *say* they want.

My niece, who is quite intelligent and accomplished, not only got twitchy when I was asking her why she hates Trump, but she also is the one I just blocked for having a bunch of pro-terrorist antisemitic garbage on her FB wall. So even someone like her, who I used to be so proud of, is nothing more than a receptacle for demonstrably false propaganda.

It's fascinating, it really is.

In FL the Democrat Party just decided to do away with the primary - no voting for who you want, it's Joe on the ballot and that's that. Now, Joe would have won that primary anyway, but it's the idea that the Party wouldn't let voters decide for themselves. Democrat voters are super pissed off about it, but they won't do anything about it. They'll piss and moan, then do as they're told.

I think it is simply a lot of people don't like conflict and run away from it. Just because you like "fighting back", even though it accomplishes nothing, doesn't mean that most people do, or even that they don't run from it.

I am pretty much neutral about it, and occasionally amuses me, but I do see that it turns off a lot of people and I think it is his biggest mistake.

 

[phreddyp]

legislating morality is never a good thing either. IMHO its one of the worst aspects of modern "conservatism". But here we are...with the far left advocating for debauchery that would make the failing Roman state blush, while the far right still wants to get in to people's bedroom behaviors. And meanwhile, the people's business goes undone..

I couldn't have stated that better, so true, and also sums up my view.

 

[vraiblonde]

I keep reminding folks - primaries are a generally NEW thing - we really didn't have them across the board until the 60s and early 70s.

Before that, we have a progression from - parties in Congress nominating their candidate, caucuses and states electing and sending delegates to the convention.

But all in all - until the 60s - VOTERS DID NOT PICK THE PARTY NOMINEE.

NOW - we have supremely stupid things such as "open" primaries, where people of any party can vote for candidates of another party. We have already seen whole CAMPAIGNS around encouraging voters to vote in huge numbers for the weakest opponent in the other party.

To my understanding, it's perfectly acceptable for a party to decide its own nominee, and it should be members who have shown SOME level of commitment to the party above and beyond just signing a registration form at some point in their lives. Otherwise, you have tens of millions of "members" of a party nominating someone who might not even EXIST, because they don't follow what the party does. Just being a registered Democrat or Republican voter doesn't imbue you with any reasonable knowledge of who the nominee might be.

Caucuses are a good thing, also - people don't just go and drop a piece of paper - they get involved.

But frankly, if rank and file voters don't have a say - fine with me. You often make comments on who should be allowed to vote - here's a case where the party draws the line.

And yet Democrat "voters" constantly cry that *Republicans* are stealing their democracy....



The problem with all that party bullshit is that two parties own the election - the Republicans and the Democrats. No other party or independent has a chance. And if the Democrats draw the line at ALL their registered voters, what does that mean?

My idea was that people who have no idea what or who they're voting for shouldn't be allowed to vote. FL Dems took it an enormous leap further and are like, "Naw, none o' ya'll get to vote. We'll tell you who you're gonna vote for. And even then, don't bother because we'll just put you down for who we want."

I fully expect other state Democrat honchos to follow suit, and the Republicans not far behind them.

But....but....mah democracy!!!

 

[vraiblonde]

I think it is simply a lot of people don't like conflict and run away from it. Just because you like "fighting back", even though it accomplishes nothing, doesn't mean that most people do, or even that they don't run from it.

I am pretty much neutral about it, and occasionally amuses me, but I do see that it turns off a lot of people and I think it is his biggest mistake.

If we all fought back we could get something accomplished.

 

[SamSpade]

legislating morality is never a good thing either. IMHO its one of the worst aspects of modern "conservatism". But here we are...with the far left advocating for debauchery that would make the failing Roman state blush, while the far right still wants to get in to people's bedroom behaviors. And meanwhile, the people's business goes undone..

“Legislating morality” - in the phrase you can’t legislate morality - doesn’t mean laws can’t be based solely on moral principles. At the heart of it - ALL law is derived at some point of a concept of morality. Or justice to say the least.

The phrase is meant to mean - you can’t MAKE people moral by passing a law. I guess when you think about it - laws are pretty much only there to punish the guilty.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

If we all fought back we could get something accomplished.

Eh the "fighting back" was pretty much just snarkieness and name calling, not exactly sure what that could accomplish.

 

[Dakota]

I mentioned JRA (Justice Reinvestment Act) earlier

This is the result & it is everywhere.

 

[SamSpade]

They have not LOST the black vote - but they are losing their complete, utter domination of the black vote, especially -

Black MEN. He's currently trending with black men at 27 percent.
It's not a slam dunk, but it is more than double the best showing of any Republican candidate in decades.
And the highest among THOSE - was Trump, in 2020.

It's trending, and it WILL hurt Dems - but I doubt it will last. Black men are drawn to TRUMP - not the weasel word, mealy-mouthed members of the establishment GOP. If Trump is gone and no one like him replaces him, it will all snap back.

Latino and Black men tend to like strong, powerful, commanding leaders.

 

[vraiblonde]

Black men are drawn to TRUMP - not the weasel word, mealy-mouthed members of the establishment GOP. If Trump is gone and no one like him replaces him, it will all snap back.

Exactly. They're not going to be swayed by weenie establishment Republican manturds who are all like, "Yeah! Black men like me!" No, goob, Black men don't like you; they like Trump.

 

[StmarysCity79]

I believe Obama got the votes for office and was well-liked. Nobody had a problem with a black man in charge at all but why did it have to be some sheep herder's son? Why wasn't it a black man who had deep roots in THIS country?

People have the right to question that and frankly, what concerned people the most wasn't the color of his skin but him being a middle-eastern Muslim plant of some sort. His history is questionable. You cannot deny that.

And what Trump did with Obamacare was rid the tax payers of the tax our government was imposing on people who had no healthcare at all. Obamacare has not been repealed. Why is it fair to tax the poor or close to poor for not having healthcare? Remember, the cost wasn't going to go down unless young people signed on and guess what? They didn't.

True healthcare reform has to include tort reform.

It also has to tackle the problem of big pharma.

Our past always proves our future.

Whenever the government gets involved or subsidizes ANYTHING they make it more expensive.

Housing, education - all more expensive once the government got involved.

The tax was to ensure that everyone joined and paid in to the system. Had the ydone so and had so many red states not blocked using the ACA the system would have worked. However just like everything else red states only take and take and blue states make and contribute.

 

[StmarysCity79]

Obama did more damage to the Democrat agenda than any Republican ever did. Yet you still revere him, why?

By wearing a tan suit?

 

[StmarysCity79]

No, but Trump does have a strong base.

It always surprises me that supposedly intelligent people who say they want change for the country and their own neighborhoods are vehemently opposed to him. I can only think it's because of the heavy media dogpile brainwashing, because humans largely obey their masters. But Trump's agenda - and what he actually accomplished, or tried to accomplish and was shut down by the establishment politicians - is directly in line with what these people *say* they want.

My niece, who is quite intelligent and accomplished, not only got twitchy when I was asking her why she hates Trump, but she also is the one I just blocked for having a bunch of pro-terrorist antisemitic garbage on her FB wall. So even someone like her, who I used to be so proud of, is nothing more than a receptacle for demonstrably false propaganda.

It's fascinating, it really is.

In FL the Democrat Party just decided to do away with the primary - no voting for who you want, it's Joe on the ballot and that's that. Now, Joe would have won that primary anyway, but it's the idea that the Party wouldn't let voters decide for themselves. Democrat voters are super pissed off about it, but they won't do anything about it. They'll piss and moan, then do as they're told.

Pretty hypocritical considering Trump demanded to not participate in any debates and demanded to be the candidate and you all went right along with it

Imagine hating your whole family to worship Trump.

Shouldn't that be a clue for you?

You know what they are all saying about you around the table?

 

[Kyle]

Well, lookie here. Her drug induced stupor ended early and our resident ####bag Marxist is awake and flinging her poo early today.

 

[Dakota]

I do enjoy listening to MalcomFlex

He is right - Swift is getting them white leftist to register... What are the Republicans doing??

Scott Presler @ScottPresler is amazing - he is on the ground registering people to vote but he cannot do it alone.

 

[Bonehead]

This just demonstrates how effed up our political system is if Taylor Twit can have ANY influence over an election.

 

[Monello]

legislating morality is never a good thing either. IMHO its one of the worst aspects of modern "conservatism".

Henry Ford used morality clauses to keep his workers from beating their wives and from getting drunk all the time. His jobs were high paying and I guess it was worth acting civilized in order to gain his, at that time, hefty paycheck.

I think he was on to something.

 

[SamSpade]

When you're a LOCK on the primary - I don't fault Democrats or Republicans for not showing up for debates. It's a waste of time and resources.

Frankly what concerns me is, there's SO MANY CANDIDATES completely willing to totally piss away millions of dollars on a campaign that has zero chance of going anywhere. Trump is a shoo-in barring extreme circumstance - and even if he is NOT - there are and have been, a LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING that have zero business running, have no chance - but - they take money from donors and waste them.

RFK Jr. - he COULD be a spoiler. Until a few months ago, I actually considered him, at least - if Trump did NOT get the nomination.

I however, do NOT see a reason for ducking out on a general election debate. If Biden blows that one off - Trump can just debate RFK Jr.

 

[Kyle]

When you're a LOCK on the primary - I don't fault Democrats or Republicans for not showing up for debates. It's a waste of time and resources.

- there are and have been, a LOT OF PEOPLE RUNNING that have zero business running, have no chance - but - they take money from donors and waste them.

It's a long, attention filled, fun vacation for them and somebody else pays.

 

[phreddyp]

By wearing a tan suit?

Why didn't you answer the question?

 

[Kyle]

By wearing a tan suit?

He did that to make himself appear blacker.