dentsville accident rt 6

[Inkpen]

Bob,
I did suggest parents do a better job at teaching their kids and you came back that parents wont change..

Parents?? I thought the situation in the car with FOUR teenages with a teen driver was against the rules.. as were the lack of seatbelts.. Parents aren't going to change, and you can't make them change

So that puts the responsibility back on the inexperienced kids to teach themselves..and do you thnk that kid is gonna ride the bus? No..he will hop a ride with his buddies....

The accident in Calvert on Monday..the kids were far away from the route to school...why where they on Brisco Turn Rd?
That was not the way to school...they drove around the "block" fro some unkown reason, tried to dash across 2/4 to drive north and to school, and were hit.

Seat belts did not help as it was T-Bone crash.

So, here is a 17 yo, with a van, and 3 others all from her neighborhood, and they were in the wrong place..and not at school.

If parents dont step up and take mre responsibility, then more kids will die.

Who says kids have to have a car? Parents too busy to drive them to practice or to school?

You, father of 5 tell me how to fix this.

As a volunteer EMT/Firefighter/EMT instructor of 25+ years...rolling out on an accident involving kids or infants is our worst nightmare.

So, are you prepared to drive your kids to and school until they are 18 to keep them safe?

 

[clevalley]

I also think we need to make teen licenses more stringent..

You viloate (ANY) you lose your license.. first time until you're 18.. Get your license back at 18 and do it again, you're of the road until you're 21..

This coupled with the above cameras..

After the first couple of "cool" 17 and 18 year olds are taking the bus to school, and telling their friends what happened.. yep.. they'll start slowing down.

I agree with you on the above and believe we need to look at other countries on how they do it. Germany is an EXCELLENT example. This article was pulled from AOL Autos written By ERIC PETERS Posted: 2006-12-05 - complete article.

Snipet is below -

The car "feels" perfectly safe at 85 mph (or going into a turn posted 45 mph at 60-something) so it's easy for a teen to get way ahead of himself before he has any idea he's pushing his luck.

And by then, of course, it may be too late.

Unfortunately, many parents aren't prepared, willing, or qualified to properly instruct their own kids. And the rest gets into money. Either from the state (through public school training) or in the form of private driving schools such as those run by former race car drivers like Bob Bondurant, Skip Barber and others -- both which entail someone ponying up. A good 2-3 day accident avoidance course costs around $300-$500 or so, depending on where you go. The superb vehicle dynamics/handling courses offered by former race car drivers such as Bob Bondurant and Skip Barber can cost significantly more -- but confer potentially life-saving skills on the new/teenage driver.

In Germany and some other countries, this type of intensive (and expensive) new driver training is absolutely mandatory -- because in those countries, the up front costs are justified by much-improved public safety. Unskilled, marginal drivers (teens and others alike) are kept off the road -- until they've proven they can operate a motor vehicle at a certain (and much higher than our own) level of skill. They view a driver's license as a hard-won privilege -- not an entitlement.

We, however, apparently don't think it's worth the cost. And so long as that's true, we can continue to expect teen drivers to be a looming danger to themselves -- and to everyone else on the road.

I think we need to re-think the wheel on this one...

 

[kalmd]

Took Oliver Shop Road this morning to commute at Mattawoman Park n' Ride, and saw the area of the accident. Aftermath looked horrific. Very sad, and family is in my thoughts and prayers.

I don't know how much more it will take to get people to slow down on this road!! Right after the accident area, a small blue truck came flying up on our bumper, passing us on a double line. He/She was in a definite hurry...(I got your tag #). The person then proceeded to tail gate the car in front and road the center line trying to pass two vehicles!! UNREAL! I have seen a cop parked off the road there some mornings. Too bad he wasn't there this morning!

On Fox news last night, the reporter was saying they were leaving the scene of the accident heading to LaPlata and someone flew past them, passing them on a double yellow line, uphill, in the dart. You would think after the accident that just happened in that area, people would at least drive like they have some sense for a few days at least.

 

[Inkpen]

One important concept to keep in mind:
The majority of both parents WORK..
So that leaves kids to fend for themselves.
Kids gets a license, kid can take themselves to and from school and from the job they have to pay for car/insurance.

My mom was a stay at home mom and drove us...we were not allowed to own a car until we were on our own.
We walked, rode a bike, took the bus.

How many here are stay at home parents?
How many of you moms and dads both work and can not drive kids to and from school or are not home when the kids get home from school?

Why did a parent not drive these kids to basket ball practice?

Why? Because the kid had a car and a license..and took 3 other lives with him.

Why did a parent allow him to dirve?

 

[lovinmaryland]

One important concept to keep in mind:
The majority of both parents WORK..
So that leaves kids to fend for themselves.
Kids gets a license, kid can take themselves to and from school and from the job they have to pay for car/insurance.

My mom was a stay at home mom and drove us...we were not allowed to own a car until we were on our own.
We walked, rode a bike, took the bus.

How many here are stay at home parents?
How many of you moms and dads both work and can nto drive kids to and from school or oare not home when the kids get home from school?

Why did a parent not drive these kids to basket ball practice?

Why did a parent allow him to dirve?

I feel terrible for the teenagers families... how ever there is this thought in my mind that what if they would have killed that innocent woman driving down the road... what if it were me?

Something needs to be done I know that much... just not sure what it is

 

[IMNEMT-B]

We did not allow our daughter to have anyone in the car with her until she was 18. That was a rule that was never negotiated. She knew the consequences if she was caught with someone in my/her car. We put the fear of god in her! I am also an EMT and my daughter has seen first hand what can happen to kids in cars. We also have enough friends and family in the area, that if she was seen, we would know! I never would bend on that rule. I have been blessed that she, at 19, has never had an accident or caused an accident. I don't even think she drives much over the speed limit! Parents MUST keep their foot down when it comes to teen drivers and always know what your kids are doing!!!

 

[BadGirl]

We discussed this at length last night..

We can't force people to buy slower cars, and we can't say.. no more licenses for people under 18/20 or 21..

This is where we differ.

I do believe that we can - and should - raise the driving age from 16 to 17 and perhaps even 18.

Granted...I got my license when I was almost 17, I didn't drive regularly until I was 18 1/2, and that was years ago when the roads were not as congested and heavily trafficked, the speed limits were a lot lower, and the distractions of cell phones/pagers/iPods/etc. were non-existent.

It is extremely challenging for a young, inexperienced, and easily-distracted young person to drive without putting themselves and others in danger. These recent accidents prove that.

Just because the law states that 16 is allowable to get a license doesn't mean that a 16 SHOULD drive.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Its just hard to say what the answer is, so many people seem to have complete disregard for rules and regulations (laws) like its not going to happen to them..
Its terrible to say but this accident there was disregard for the law to wear your seatbelts. Disregard for having passengers other then family members when being a new driver, and then speeding at least 30 miles an hour over the posted limit. Theres 3 strikes.
Each one of the 5 victims made a horrible mistake that day. The driver made 3 mistakes, speeding, no seatbelt, and allowing his friends to ride with him knowing what the laws were about passengers. The passengers made 2 mistakes no seatbelt and accepting a ride knowing what the rules are about young drivers having passengers.
Like so many have already said, this will slow some of them down for awhile, but a terrible accident like this will happen again in the future with the same 3 contrubuting factors to make it another fatal mistake.

 

[Wenchy]

This is where we differ.

I do believe that we can - and should - raise the driving age from 16 to 17 and perhaps even 18.

Granted...I got my license when I was almost 17, I didn't drive regularly until I was 18 1/2, and that was years ago when the roads were not as congested and heavily trafficked, the speed limits were a lot lower, and the distractions of cell phones/pagers/iPods/etc. were non-existent.

It is extremely challenging for a young, inexperienced, and easily-distracted young person to drive without putting themselves and others in danger. These recent accidents prove that.

Just because the law states that 16 is allowable to get a license doesn't mean that a 16 SHOULD drive.

You know me, but some others on here may not.

The roads are much different than when we learned how to drive.

I'll be picking up my 18 (soon to be 19) year old from college next week.

She doesn't have a car! Imagine that?!

 

[Wenchy]

You know me, but some others on here may not.

The roads are much different than when we learned how to drive.

I'll be picking up my 18 (soon to be 19) year old from college next week.

She doesn't have a car! Imagine that?!

dentsville accident rt 6 11-08-2007 01:04 PM oh we can imagine that OVER protected MOMMY she will never know what real life is

That didn't take long.

P.S. Should have been "overprotective".

What is real life? She's alive and hasn't been in a teen related crash. That was my concern from the beginning since I have seen too many go that way.

To each their own, but I am happy to be able to do this for her.

She has her license, and no desire to drive. Is it terrible for a teenager to say they are scared to drive?

Crap, I'm scared with the lunatics out there on the cell phones and pretending to be NASCAR drivers.

 

[clevalley]

That didn't take long.

P.S. Should have been "overprotective".

What is real life? She's alive and hasn't been in a teen related crash. That was my concern from the beginning since I have seen too many go that way.

To each their own, but I am happy to be able to do this for her.

She has her license, and no desire to drive. Is it terrible for a teenager to say they are scared to drive?

Crap, I'm scared with the lunatics out there on the cell phones and pretending to be NASCAR drivers.

Wow - friggin people need to sign their Karma...

Anyhow - if you don't mind and your daughter don't mind her driving situation then there is no big deal

I watch myself more and more on the backroads - moreover for the other person. I am not paranoid, just more alert...

 

[SouthernMdRocks]

That didn't take long.

P.S. Should have been "overprotective".

What is real life? She's alive and hasn't been in a teen related crash. That was my concern from the beginning since I have seen too many go that way.

To each their own, but I am happy to be able to do this for her.

She has her license, and no desire to drive. Is it terrible for a teenager to say they are scared to drive?

Crap, I'm scared with the lunatics out there on the cell phones and pretending to be NASCAR drivers.

After my son turned 19 we got him a car, three months later he wrecked it on a wet off ramp going to college, my parents turned around and bought him another car. I said let him take the bus.
I myself will not let my younger children drive to Highschool when that day comes. It's the bus or me driving them period.

 

[poster]

news reporters - give it a break...

I just heard that the buses couldn't let the students off this morning until the news reporters where made to leave.
How sick is this?

 

[Fenrir51]

She has her license, and no desire to drive. Is it terrible for a teenager to say they are scared to drive?

Why learn to drive if you are not going to do it? To waste time?

 

[SouthernMdRocks]

I just heard that the buses couldn't let the students off this morning until the news reporters where made to leave.
How sick is this?

Not surprising, it's the pack mentality.

 

[poster]

She has her license, and no desire to drive. Is it terrible for a teenager to say they are scared to drive?

I don't see anything wrong with this. If she's not comfortable driving then by all means she shouldn't be.

 

[Wenchy]

Why learn to drive if you are not going to do it? To waste time?

No. She went to high school in DE, and driver's ed is a state funded and recommended course. MD has gone to hell in a hand basket.

She knows how to drive, has a legal ID, and I had a car for her when she turned 18. She didn't want it. :shrug:

 

[Fenrir51]

MD has gone to hell in a hand basket.

Ever been to el paso? Should just rename this ####hole mexico.

 

[itsbob]

Bob,
So that puts the responsibility back on the inexperienced kids to teach themselves..and do you thnk that kid is gonna ride the bus? No..he will hop a ride with his buddies....

And after awhile their stupid behaviour will ensure they run out of buddies to ride with. AND when the buddy finds out WHY he needs a ride.. "LOST my license to a CAMERA" his friend will be less likely to act a fool behind the wheel lest HE loses his licencse like his friend.

The accident in Calvert on Monday..the kids were far away from the route to school...why where they on Brisco Turn Rd?
That was not the way to school...they drove around the "block" fro some unkown reason, tried to dash across 2/4 to drive north and to school, and were hit.

I don't know why they were where they were, why don't you enlighten us..

Seat belts did not help as it was T-Bone crash.

Who told you seatbelts don't help in a 't-bone' collision?? They may even have helped at the speed they were traveling (not sure WHICH accident it is you are talking about here, but the BIG one non of them were wearing seatbelts and they were T-Boned so NOT wearing seatbelts didn't help either!!)

OR maybe it was the size and weight of the bigass truck that hit them.. Calvert Accident(what's that called, KINETIC energy!??)

So, here is a 17 yo, with a van, and 3 others all from her neighborhood, and they were in the wrong place..and not at school.

If parents dont step up and take mre responsibility, then more kids will die.

how many of those four died?? How many were wearing seatbelts??


It hasn't happened yet.. why should it happen today??

Who says kids have to have a car? Parents too busy to drive them to practice or to school?

How many kids do you have? Do you have a JOB!?? Are your kids active?? No a parent CAN'T keep up with their kids schedules AND hold down a job. Kids have school, then after school activities or sports, then most of them go to their Jobs.. You think my boss will understand me coming in late EVERYday, then leaving early EVERYday?? AND still get paid??

You, father of 5 tell me how to fix this.

I think I already have.

As a volunteer EMT/Firefighter/EMT instructor of 25+ years...rolling out on an accident involving kids or infants is our worst nightmare.

And your solution 'keep doing what we are doing' (nothing), and you'll continue to have to answer these calls.

So, are you prepared to drive your kids to and school until they are 18 to keep them safe?

Well, so far I've had two get through driving.. safely.. abiding by the rules.. I guess that's GOOD PARENTING.. but my kids aren't the worry.. What if my kid was the one driving the other direction when the other car lost control because they were speeding?? It wouldn't have been my kids fault, does that mean he would have been less dead??

 

[itsbob]

This is where we differ.

I do believe that we can - and should - raise the driving age from 16 to 17 and perhaps even 18.

Granted...I got my license when I was almost 17, I didn't drive regularly until I was 18 1/2, and that was years ago when the roads were not as congested and heavily trafficked, the speed limits were a lot lower, and the distractions of cell phones/pagers/iPods/etc. were non-existent.

Did you need a license for the horse and buggy!??