Deputies Get Out From Behind Your Desks

[Htdfb]

So had the chance to read that invigorating article on somdnews.com. I would like to say I have to agree with the commissioners. All of the uniformed officers are doing their job relentlessly. I think if you are a patrol guy or gal you need to look at the bigger political picture before you get upset. It is obvious that the Sheriff and his minions are trying to spin this back on the Commissioners. Just think of this... When they say get out from behind the desk they mean all of the Suits in Unmarked cars such as BCI etc etc. That work Mon-Fri, hardly ever come out, and take all the glory after patrol officers do all the work. I would say I think they are saying get out there just like Charles County does with their detectives etc.
Why would the commissioners give the sheriffs office more money past the budget when the money that is there is misallocated. Like working 12 hour shifts and having to work multiple hours of overtime because of the lack of prior planning by the people who make command decisions. If the Sheriffs department could keep itself staffed properly the road troops would have a fighting chance, but they can't they are to busy changing the discipline matrix to have lesser petty offenses become more serious than they need to be. Remember to check that car before shift or one of those desk jockeys the commissioners are talking about will charge you !!!
Lets not talk about grant money....I am sure GOCCP or any other place would love to know that the bomb dog that was given under a grant that tragically passed away was replaced with a narcotics dog....Where did that money come from, and is the grant money still there...I think so those fancy Tahoe's were paid for with it...
Also lets look at this State Police, Calvert, Charles, PG, Harford Co, and Howard County have not gotten a step increase in years. State Police have got a reduction I believe. So the fact the Commissioners recognized the fact that you have crappy leaders who mismanage money by giving a $500.00 stipend and a 2% increase shows me and any other person who knows a small bit about politics and money that the commissioners care about the Deputies enough to say we will give you this pay increase because the sheriff will blow the money if we don't directly give it to you. Pretty much if we don't spend the money for the Sheriff and his minions he will just blow it in a frivolous manner.
like keeping deputies out and brining them out for an extra two hours after a 12 hour shift to run radar in school zones to try and prove a point. They #### on the little guy all the time yet you defend their actions. It's almost like a bad relationship and all the victim says is "I fell down the stairs he doesn't hit me"." I love him and he takes care of me you just don't see it."
We don't need 5 deputies in lexington park. It might be bad, but its not PG county. Manage your money and your people better and you can put more deputies on the road to handle the calls and be proactive.
The Sheriff always goes to the commissioners with his hand out begging for more money when they don't manage what they have properly.
If you wear civilian attire to work someone should be telling you to get your uniform ready... you need to pick up the slack and go into the rotation every once and awhile until things get better.
The road guys should not be mad look at the bigger picture here. The commissioners are the ones that sign your paycheck. Get mad at the right person or persons here don't listen to the spin that is given. Think for yourself and say when was the last time the Sheriff fought for a raise for me...or has he just asked for more money that you don't see....if you need an example just look at what you drive everyday, and if it is old and crappy falling apart leaking water etc.... or wait the old radios that sound like crap and lose connection all the time....Sorry just two things.
Well I am sure this will get plenty of comments and people trying to defend the Almighty Sheriff and his command staff, but that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I will not argue with you or banter back and forth. If you are a company man and want to defend your precious then go ahead. Doesn't matter you can not bring down the truth with your propaganda and Spin....THIS IS A SPIN FREE ZONE.

 

[xobxdoc]

So had the chance to read that invigorating article on somdnews.com. I would like to say I have to agree with the commissioners. All of the uniformed officers are doing their job relentlessly. I think if you are a patrol guy or gal you need to look at the bigger political picture before you get upset. It is obvious that the Sheriff and his minions are trying to spin this back on the Commissioners. Just think of this... When they say get out from behind the desk they mean all of the Suits in Unmarked cars such as BCI etc etc. That work Mon-Fri, hardly ever come out, and take all the glory after patrol officers do all the work. I would say I think they are saying get out there just like Charles County does with their detectives etc.
Why would the commissioners give the sheriffs office more money past the budget when the money that is there is misallocated. Like working 12 hour shifts and having to work multiple hours of overtime because of the lack of prior planning by the people who make command decisions. If the Sheriffs department could keep itself staffed properly the road troops would have a fighting chance, but they can't they are to busy changing the discipline matrix to have lesser petty offenses become more serious than they need to be. Remember to check that car before shift or one of those desk jockeys the commissioners are talking about will charge you !!!
Lets not talk about grant money....I am sure GOCCP or any other place would love to know that the bomb dog that was given under a grant that tragically passed away was replaced with a narcotics dog....Where did that money come from, and is the grant money still there...I think so those fancy Tahoe's were paid for with it...
Also lets look at this State Police, Calvert, Charles, PG, Harford Co, and Howard County have not gotten a step increase in years. State Police have got a reduction I believe. So the fact the Commissioners recognized the fact that you have crappy leaders who mismanage money by giving a $500.00 stipend and a 2% increase shows me and any other person who knows a small bit about politics and money that the commissioners care about the Deputies enough to say we will give you this pay increase because the sheriff will blow the money if we don't directly give it to you. Pretty much if we don't spend the money for the Sheriff and his minions he will just blow it in a frivolous manner.
like keeping deputies out and brining them out for an extra two hours after a 12 hour shift to run radar in school zones to try and prove a point. They #### on the little guy all the time yet you defend their actions. It's almost like a bad relationship and all the victim says is "I fell down the stairs he doesn't hit me"." I love him and he takes care of me you just don't see it."
We don't need 5 deputies in lexington park. It might be bad, but its not PG county. Manage your money and your people better and you can put more deputies on the road to handle the calls and be proactive.
The Sheriff always goes to the commissioners with his hand out begging for more money when they don't manage what they have properly.
If you wear civilian attire to work someone should be telling you to get your uniform ready... you need to pick up the slack and go into the rotation every once and awhile until things get better.
The road guys should not be mad look at the bigger picture here. The commissioners are the ones that sign your paycheck. Get mad at the right person or persons here don't listen to the spin that is given. Think for yourself and say when was the last time the Sheriff fought for a raise for me...or has he just asked for more money that you don't see....if you need an example just look at what you drive everyday, and if it is old and crappy falling apart leaking water etc.... or wait the old radios that sound like crap and lose connection all the time....Sorry just two things.
Well I am sure this will get plenty of comments and people trying to defend the Almighty Sheriff and his command staff, but that is your opinion and you are welcome to it. I will not argue with you or banter back and forth. If you are a company man and want to defend your precious then go ahead. Doesn't matter you can not bring down the truth with your propaganda and Spin....THIS IS A SPIN FREE ZONE.

 

[letmetellyou]

(1) So had the chance to read that invigorating article on somdnews.com. I would like to say I have to agree with the commissioners.
(2)It is obvious that the Sheriff and his minions are trying to spin this back on the Commissioners. Just think of this... When they say get out from behind the desk they mean all of the Suits in Unmarked cars such as BCI etc etc. That work Mon-Fri, hardly ever come out, and take all the glory after patrol officers do all the work. I would say I think they are saying get out there just like Charles County does with their detectives etc.

(3) If the Sheriffs department could keep itself staffed properly the road troops would have a fighting chance,

(4) but they can't they are to busy changing the discipline matrix to have lesser petty offenses become more serious than they need to be.

(5) Lets not talk about grant money....I am sure GOCCP or any other place would love to know that the bomb dog that was given under a grant that tragically passed away was replaced with a narcotics dog....Where did that money come from, and is the grant money still there...I think so those fancy Tahoe's were paid for with it...

(6) Also lets look at this State Police, Calvert, Charles, PG, Harford Co, and Howard County have not gotten a step increase in years. State Police have got a reduction I believe. So the fact the Commissioners recognized the fact that you have crappy leaders who mismanage money

(7) like keeping deputies out and brining them out for an extra two hours after a 12 hour shift to run radar in school zones to try and prove a point. They #### on the little guy all the time yet you defend their actions. It's almost like a bad relationship and all the victim says is "I fell down the stairs he doesn't hit me"." I love him and he takes care of me you just don't see it."

(8)
We don't need 5 deputies in lexington park. It might be bad, but its not PG county. Manage your money and your people better and you can put more deputies on the road to handle the calls and be proactive.

(9) If you wear civilian attire to work someone should be telling you to get your uniform ready... you need to pick up the slack and go into the rotation every once and awhile until things get better.

1). Which part do you agree with? Their first decison or their change of hearts?

2). I don't know much about this, but what does charles county do differently than St. Mary's?

3). Isn't that what he's trying to do by asking for more deputies?

4). Do you have an example? I want bad officers to be punished. Could you describe what an unfair punishment would be?

5). I didn't see anything like this in the article.

6). So Charles, Calvert, MSP, and PG. have better Law enforcement leaders? Is this information verifiable? I have more than a couple friends in both Charles, and Calvert, and I think they might disagree with you on the leadership issue.

7). Aren't those school zone enforcement initiatives volunteer things that the deputies have to sign up for? (State Police do them as well).

8). So now patrol deputies don't need more help?

9). Who exactly is going to to the job of the guys wearing civilian attire when they are out on the road?

I doubt you will answer these questions, I am fully expecting some mean spirited answer. I have read your other seven posts, and you seem to be pretty negative about anything good the cops might be doing.

 

[b23hqb]

In order to get out from beneath their desks, they first have to have the strength to push the chair back, huff and wheeze past the doughnut and coffee table, then actually get in a car and try to remember the rules of engagement.

Seniority is good, and should be earned. But you still have to get your feet and hands dirty to not only maintain, but earn, that respect of a desk job in the first place.

 

[tom88]

In my position I happen to come in contact with patrol deputies, detectives, and administration in both the sheriff's department and the Maryland State Police.

I consider myself friends with many of the deputies. I am not a minion of Tim Cameron, but in talking to deputies I know they would much rather have him as a leader than some of the other agencies mentioned.

I would also like to take up for the detectives. I have been out in social engagements where they have had to leave on a weekend (which they don't work) to go and work a case. I have seen the finished product and know they did substantial work on the case, not just taking the glory. That isn’t to say that the first responding deputy didn’t do a good job, quite the contrary. They are the backbone of the department.

I think most everyone in the State Police and Sheriff’s department are dedicated and hard working. Many of them have not just their own responsibilities, but collateral duties such as swat officer or negotiator.

So to the original author of this thread; I would suggest you speak to the detectives and other officers, and don’t just take the disgruntled opinion, get an education as to how most feel before you speak.

 

[tom88]

In order to get out from beneath their desks, they first have to have the strength to push the chair back, huff and wheeze past the doughnut and coffee table, then actually get in a car and try to remember the rules of engagement.

Seniority is good, and should be earned. But you still have to get your feet and hands dirty to not only maintain, but earn, that respect of a desk job in the first place.

Two of the top administrators have finished the FBI National Academy in the last three years, and one of them is a member of swat. The second highest person in the agency is in pretty good shape and went through a Marshal's program within the last few years.

I would say given their ages, these people who you are putting down are collectively in better shape than the average person.

Who is it you are talking about?

 

[b23hqb]

Two of the top administrators have finished the FBI National Academy in the last three years, and one of them is a member of swat. The second highest person in the agency is in pretty good shape and went through a Marshal's program within the last few years.

I would say given their ages, these people who you are putting down are collectively in better shape than the average person.

Who is it you are talking about?

I cannot, and will not, argue against you on your personal observations of a few leaders in your police community.

I know a person that completed the Army Ranger program at 34 years of age. That is impressive

I can, and will, argue against unfit cops. I do know enough of them here in Tampa, Sheriff/TPD/FHP, been around for a while, that would love nothing better than a desk/supervisory job and give the street details to the young turks.

Time marches on. Complacency is a regular occurrence in life.

 

[sockgirl77]

It's really easy to sit behind a monitor and ##### about the cops until one saves your life or that of a loved one.

Knowing as many local officers as I do and seeing them in action...these guys/gals are grossly underpaid. And now they've been denied their promotional raises. So an officer can work his/her rear off and get promoted to a higher rank after so many years of hard work and dedication BUT the commissioners do not feel that they deserve a pay raise.

So to anyone who does not feel that they deserve their raises...sit on and spin.

 

[b23hqb]

It's really easy to sit behind a monitor and ##### about the cops until one saves your life or that of a loved one.

Knowing as many local officers as I do and seeing them in action...these guys/gals are grossly underpaid. And now they've been denied their promotional raises. So an officer can work his/her rear off and get promoted to a higher rank after so many years of hard work and dedication BUT the commissioners do not feel that they deserve a pay raise.

So to anyone who does not feel that they deserve their raises...sit on and spin.

They, along with firefighters and other first responders, deserve a decent wage.

 

[G1G4]

They, along with firefighters and other first responders, deserve a decent wage.

I like money

 

[Htdfb]

A Kind Answer

1). Which part do you agree with? Their first decison or their change of hearts?

I agree with their decision to take back the 1 Million Dollars and I agree with their decision to give a $500 Stipend and a 2% increase directly to the Officers.

2). I don't know much about this, but what does charles county do differently than St. Mary's?
You can research maybe this has changed but the detectives have to suit up and work the road once a month to supplement the road crew.

3). Isn't that what he's trying to do by asking for more deputies?
He is but commanders always want more when there are ways to supplement from within, and their are always ways to trim the fat! If funding is an issue how about we cut that training budget a bit, and all that travel expense that comes with it. Train in House and draw from free sources. There are plenty available

4). Do you have an example? I want bad officers to be punished. Could you describe what an unfair punishment would be?
Its not about it being unfair. Its about making it so the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

5). I didn't see anything like this in the article.
Your right its just a fact that shows where the priorities are.

6). So Charles, Calvert, MSP, and PG. have better Law enforcement leaders? Is this information verifiable? I have more than a couple friends in both Charles, and Calvert, and I think they might disagree with you on the leadership issue.
I never said they had better leaders however people can learn from looking elsewhere for solutions. There are good and bad where ever you work civilian or police.

7). Aren't those school zone enforcement initiatives volunteer things that the deputies have to sign up for? (State Police do them as well).
Some of these are... however these were not. They were mandatory and deputies had to work 14 hour days which really makes it a 16 hour day awake etc.. not counting having to work over because they are short so if that happened lets say an 18 hour day .. in the extreme case.

8). So now patrol deputies don't need more help?
Oh yes the road troops need all the help they can get... they are over worked underpaid

9). Who exactly is going to to the job of the guys wearing civilian attire when they are out on the road?
Think outside of the box not all of them will be answering up on the radio or working a shift so they can feel the pressure just like the road troops do. Make it happen with less.... not pleasant but the road troops (patrol) are the backbone of the agency they do it all the time

I doubt you will answer these questions, I am fully expecting some mean spirited answer. I have read your other seven posts, and you seem to be pretty negative about anything good the cops might be doing.

I posted my answers within the quote.
They do great things....however I am always puzzled at the ones who know nothing about politics and blindly follow the leader.

 

[Htdfb]

You should really get the facts

It's really easy to sit behind a monitor and ##### about the cops until one saves your life or that of a loved one.

Knowing as many local officers as I do and seeing them in action...these guys/gals are grossly underpaid. And now they've been denied their promotional raises. So an officer can work his/her rear off and get promoted to a higher rank after so many years of hard work and dedication BUT the commissioners do not feel that they deserve a pay raise.

So to anyone who does not feel that they deserve their raises...sit on and spin.

They are giving you a raise and a stipend this fiscal year..... which is awesome. That Million wasn't for a raise... the commissioners took it back a planned for a raise for the deputies.
I would also like to point out that St Mary's will be the only agency getting a raise in somd.

 

[letmetellyou]

I posted my answers within the quote.
They do great things....however I am always puzzled at the ones who know nothing about politics and blindly follow the leader.

2). I don't know much about this, but what does charles county do differently than St. Mary's?
You can research maybe this has changed but the detectives have to suit up and work the road once a month to supplement the road crew.

(A)I did research this, and the detectives do not, unless it’s done for a special assignment and volunteer overtime (same as SMCSO).

3). Isn't that what he's trying to do by asking for more deputies?
He is.

(A)Thank you for your honesty. The citizens voted for him to be sheriff, and I will take his expertise over yours unless you can post a better resume.

4). Do you have an example? I want bad officers to be punished. Could you describe what an unfair punishment would be?
Its not about it being unfair. Its about making it so the punishment doesn't fit the crime.

(A)Again, I asked for an example. Can you provide one or is this similar to the mis-information about Charles County.

5). I didn't see anything like this in the article.
Your right its just a fact that shows where the priorities are.
(A) Where are you getting your facts?

6). So Charles, Calvert, MSP, and PG. have better Law enforcement leaders? Is this information verifiable? I have more than a couple friends in both Charles, and Calvert, and I think they might disagree with you on the leadership issue.

I never said they had better leaders however people can learn from looking elsewhere for solutions. There are good and bad where ever you work civilian or police.

(A) Again, I will defer to Tim Cameron’s qualifications and resume in contrast to the other leader’s qualifications.

7). Aren't those school zone enforcement initiatives volunteer things that the deputies have to sign up for? (State Police do them as well).
Some of these are... however these were not. They were mandatory and deputies had to work 14 hour days which really makes it a 16 hour day awake etc.. not counting having to work over because they are short so if that happened lets say an 18 hour day .. in the extreme case.

(A) The person I talked to works in patrol. He said the ONLY time people are forced to hold out is when there is a shortage because of someone calling off sick on the outgoing squad.

8). So now patrol deputies don't need more help?
Oh yes the road troops need all the help they can get... they are over worked underpaid

(A) Is it only road troops. Did yo speak to any detectives or special operations people?

9). Who exactly is going to to the job of the guys wearing civilian attire when they are out on the road?
Think outside of the box not all of them will be answering up on the radio or working a shift so they can feel the pressure just like the road troops do. Make it happen with less.... not pleasant but the road troops (patrol) are the backbone of the agency they do it all the time

(A) Please refer to my last answer.

As far as politics go, I don't think the deputies, and detectives are worried about that. If I am not mistaken, they endorsed this leader you are so critical about twice.

 

[sockgirl77]

They are giving you a raise and a stipend this fiscal year..... which is awesome. That Million wasn't for a raise... the commissioners took it back a planned for a raise for the deputies.
I would also like to point out that St Mary's will be the only agency getting a raise in somd.

I've yet to see anything that stated that THEY (not me) were getting raises.

 

[tom88]

I don't think this post went the way the op intended it to go. I think there are a lot of people in this community who have a lot of respect for ALL of the law enforcement community in St. Mary's County.

 

[Gilligan]

I don't think this post went the way the op intended it to go. I think there are a lot of people in this community who have a lot of respect for ALL of the law enforcement community in St. Mary's County.

ya think?

 

[tom88]

ya think?

We must be minions. Or people with independent thought.

 

[Gilligan]

We must be minions. Or people with independent thought.

I'm just a minion. When I'm not being a sheep, I mean.

 

[seeamovie]

When they say get out from behind the desk they mean all of the Suits in Unmarked cars such as BCI etc etc. That work Mon-Fri, hardly ever come out, and take all the glory after patrol officers do all the work. I would say I think they are saying get out there just like Charles County does with their detectives etc.
If you wear civilian attire to work someone should be telling you to get your uniform ready... you need to pick up the slack and go into the rotation every once and awhile until things get better.

I read this, and it seemed like a lot of sour grapes from someone, but this bothered me. Am I correct by reading this that if a serious crime happens, like a murder or a rape on a Saturday night a detective doesn't investigate it until the Monday?

 

[foodcritic]

I read this, and it seemed like a lot of sour grapes from someone, but this bothered me. Am I correct by reading this that if a serious crime happens, like a murder or a rape on a Saturday night a detective doesn't investigate it until the Monday?

I am sure that detectives come out for any serious call regardless of the time/day.