dog Training

[Chain729]

Yep, it does.

No it doesn't. It's no different than rewarding your kid for a good report card but grounding them for getting into a fight. Positive for one, negative for another. Encourage the good behaviour, discourage the bad. Choker and praise Treats spoil them and they'll always expect it.

 

[cattitude]

No it doesn't. It's no different than rewarding your kid for a good report card but grounding them for getting into a fight. Positive for one, negative for another. Encourage the good behaviour, discourage the bad. Choker and praise Treats spoil them and they'll always expect it.

I disagree and I've been to MANY training classes in my lifetime. The postive reinforcement by Canine Mind has been the best by far and I've taken 3 dogs through several classes there.

No need to yank mine around with a choke collar.

But, hey, to each his own.

 

[jp2854]

she hasn't used anything yet. We just started with basic commands of sit and down and off and come. May I ask what is wrong with a collar that pinches then when they pull? I will see what the collar looks like and if it looks like it could hurt the dog i will say no way to the lady that is training the dog. Shes got 3 pits and a lab for dogs and her lab does search and rescue that shes trained on this collar to walk on lead

 

[Chain729]

I disagree and I've been to MANY training classes in my lifetime. The postive reinforcement by Canine Mind has been the best by far and I've taken 3 dogs through several classes there.

No need to yank mine around with a choke collar.

But, hey, to each his own.

I helped Dad breed and train hunting dogs. It hasn't stood the test of time because it doesn't work. There's always a better way, but there's also always more than one way.

 

[forever jewel]

I helped Dad breed and train hunting dogs. It hasn't stood the test of time because it doesn't work. There's always a better way, but there's also always more than one way.

That's like saying "You should pour turpentine on a cut because my grandpappy did it". But we know there are more sanitary methods now. Just because it works, does not mean it is the best method.

From personal experience, I've trained dogs using the choker collar method and positive reinforcement method. While negative reinforcement will get an instant response, positive reinforcement provides a lasting response.

 

[Chain729]

That's like saying "You should pour turpentine on a cut because my grandpappy did it". But we know there are more sanitary methods now. Just because it works, does not mean it is the best method.

From personal experience, I've trained dogs using the choker collar method and positive reinforcement method. While negative reinforcement will get an instant response, positive reinforcement provides a lasting response.

 

[dia look]

she hasn't used anything yet. We just started with basic commands of sit and down and off and come. May I ask what is wrong with a collar that pinches then when they pull? I will see what the collar looks like and if it looks like it could hurt the dog i will say no way to the lady that is training the dog. Shes got 3 pits and a lab for dogs and her lab does search and rescue that shes trained on this collar to walk on lead

the pinch collar, if used correctly, quickly pinches the dog then releases, where as a choker, will choke until released. In situations where positive reinforcement is not working, and choker is not getting the response required, a pinch collar can be used to quickly let the dog know what is expected of them without constantly pulling on the choker. Like several people have stated, there are differnet ways of teaching, and just because someone doens't agree with them does not make that method right or wrong, only wrong in the eyes of the person speaking. They have established several basic different ways that humans learn and can be taught, why should dogs be different? The thing to do is approach everythign with an open mind and use what works, and what makes your life with your pet the best.

 

[Lacie Girl]

the pinch collar, if used correctly, quickly pinches the dog then releases, where as a choker, will choke until released. In situations where positive reinforcement is not working, and choker is not getting the response required, a pinch collar can be used to quickly let the dog know what is expected of them without constantly pulling on the choker.

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

I am against using choke collars though I was misquoted at saying they are a mean way of training. I don't use choke collars because, in my experience, most dogs will continue to pull and choke themselves regardless. These collars have been known to break a dogs trachea. It is for this reason that I teach all of my clients how to properly use a pinch/prong collar if one is needed. I teach my clients when it is appropriate to use one as well as what the potential dangers are.

I am not against someone else teaching with a choke collar as I expect a professional trainer to instruct in its proper use. It just isn't a training tool that I use myself.

I agree with many people here that there are a variety of ways to train dogs, none of which are right or wrong. One example is my lab. He does remarkably well with work on a pinch collar (ie negative reinforcement). I think he would eat my hand off if I used strictly positive reinforcement. Also, he completely disregards me when food comes into the picture. On the other hand, all of my pit bulls do better with a more positive reinforcement approach. I only walk them on a pinch collar so they don't get the idea that they are part of a sled team and pull me down the street. If I had to choose which dog performs more soundly every time, it would be my lab in a heart beat. I love my pits dearly and they all listen beautifully but my lab has a quicker and happier response (I am talking off leash here so there is no threat to the dog that he will be reprimanded if he doesn't respond).

I hope everyone has a great day and enjoys the weather with their dogs!!!

 

[tommyjones]

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

I am against using choke collars though I was misquoted at saying they are a mean way of training. I don't use choke collars because, in my experience, most dogs will continue to pull and choke themselves regardless. These collars have been known to break a dogs trachea. It is for this reason that I teach all of my clients how to properly use a pinch/prong collar if one is needed. I teach my clients when it is appropriate to use one as well as what the potential dangers are.

if the dog continues to pull and it is choking then YOU are not using the collar correctly, a trainer should know how to use the tools of the trade, even if they dont personally use them.

 

[forever jewel]

Thank you for explaning this so well, dia look!

I am the one training jp2854's puppy. With a puppy at her age, I use positive reinforcement for all of her basic commands. I only reprimand for negative actions (ie biting). jp2854 owns a giant breed dog. Though relatively small now, she is already pulling hard on her leash. Before you know it, she will be pulling everyone in the house down the street.

You mean, if she isn't trained she'll pull them down the street or regardless of training?

 

[jp2854]

You mean, if she isn't trained she'll pull them down the street or regardless of training?

If she isn't trained correctly how to walk on a leash she will that is what I am saying.

OBTW the pinch collar doesn't hurt the dog it just gives her a tiny ittybitty pinch and that is it if the collar is put on her correctly and you use it right.

 

[tommyjones]

If she isn't trained correctly how to walk on a leash she will that is what I am saying.

OBTW the pinch collar doesn't hurt the dog it just gives her a tiny ittybitty pinch and that is it if the collar is put on her correctly and you use it right.

about the same as a choke collar if used by an experienced trainer.

 

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St. Marys Rec and Parks does CGC training and the test in the advanced obedience classes. If the dog can pass depends on how much you work with it. I believe they have a class starting shortly. I've been through two classes with this trainer and I like him, he does some confindence building exercises that I really liked. I'm planning on taking one of my dogs to the basic this time around. He does use a choker collar, the only way I've trained, and all my dogs have been basic and advanced trained. Used properly it should correct and release right away, I suspect it might not work that way on some breeds. It depends on the consistancy of the training, don't you think? A dog who's only training is during class is not going to understand what is being asked of him. A dog in training needs to be worked on a regular basis.
There was a very good dog book at the library, I don't remember the name but next time I go I'll look for it. It had several good points about how to carry the dog's training through out the day. Following the suggestions in the book my dogs sit and wait for a command before leaving and entering the house, they sit and wait for a command before jumping on the bed, they take treats politely and don't rip my fingers off for a cookie. Small things that build their and my confidence.

 

[yknotpoms]

Spinner I would love more info these classes. I am so busy thru mid April, but then I would have the time to work with one or more of my babies. I am looking for this to get them TDI cert'd too so that they can go on visits.

 

[Lacie Girl]

if the dog continues to pull and it is choking then YOU are not using the collar correctly, a trainer should know how to use the tools of the trade, even if they dont personally use them.

Not true. If the dog is already choking himself and not caring, then that leaves you no room for a correction (my lab and my friends bloodhound are great examples of this). The dog is already forcing a correction on himself and not giving you the opportunity to offer a release. The choke is not always a strong enough correction to make to dog say, "oh, maybe I should stop doing this." I'm not at all saying that a dog can't learn to walk nicely on a choke, I just don't find it to be as effecient or effective as a pinch collar.

PS When I say "in my experience" I am not only refering to dogs I have trained. I am talking about all of my experience which includes watching and working with everyday dog owners and other trainers.

 

[Lacie Girl]

about the same as a choke collar if used by an experienced trainer.

Yes, both collars are designed for a pinching action, however, I find the pinch collar to be more effecient and effective when I feel the dog I am training requires something more then a standard flat collar. I have given a better description of both collars below to clarify some things for those that are interested. Please keep in mind that every dog is different and requires differrent tools for training. These are just 2 of the many tools available.

“Choke Chains” are not intended to choke your dog! The intent is that when the collar is tugged it will pinch the brachial nerve in the dogs neck (much like pinching the funny bone). The Slip Collar is NOT intended to choke your dog. If your dog is choking with the use of this collar then use a different collar!

The prong collar is made of interlocking links, each with two blunt prongs that pinch the dog's skin when the collar is tightened. Unlike the chain slip collar, it puts even pressure around the neck by pinching the skin in a band about a half inch wide. No pressure is put directly on the trachea with the prong collar. The prong collar may look intimidating or as if it could be a favourite of Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition. It isn’t. In point of fact it is less likely to cause injury to the animal than a slip/choke or strap collar. However the prong collar is different and requires that you learn a slightly different approach to handling your dog.

 

[jp2854]

Thanks for explaining this lacie.

Bruno is still scratching and whining with the collar on but I bet that is part of her getting used to a new thing around her neck. I finally figured out how to get it on her but it took me giving her regular collar to play with while i did it because she wouldn't lay still for me this am. I am hoping on the next few days to have this down and be able to take less than 10 tries to get it on her like it did today. Do you recommend we keep it on her all day at this point in time or should we slowly break her into wearing it?

 

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Rec and parks in St Marys County
Leisure Class - Dog Obedience

They have a puppy class, basic class and and advanced class with CGC training. I liked the instructor we had the last time, he was very patient and took his time with the students -dogs and owners. Classes start March 31.

My Border Collie is [or was anyway, it's been a long time since she visited] a therapy dog. My daughter was working with a group in Charles County called [I think] Pets on Wheels. They visit nursing homes and hospitals in the Southern Maryland area. Pets on Wheels did the certification and issued the ID badges. They had certain criteria that had to be followed as far as bathing and things, but it was a good experience and the people were very nice. It's a wonderful thing to do.

 

[Lacie Girl]

Thanks for explaining this lacie.

Bruno is still scratching and whining with the collar on but I bet that is part of her getting used to a new thing around her neck. I finally figured out how to get it on her but it took me giving her regular collar to play with while i did it because she wouldn't lay still for me this am. I am hoping on the next few days to have this down and be able to take less than 10 tries to get it on her like it did today. Do you recommend we keep it on her all day at this point in time or should we slowly break her into wearing it?

Hi jp!

Definately break her into it. After a couple of days on and off, she shouldn't scratch at it any more then she would the flat collar. The most important thing is absolutely do not leave it on her while unattended. I will bring you the rubber tips on saturday and we will see if that helps.

Practice putting it together and taking it apart while it is off of her. This will also let you play with each link and find the one that is easiest for you. Then mark that link so that it is easy to find later on.

 

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Found it! Pets on Wheels
Charles County Pets on Wheels

it looks like the information is a little old, but the phone numbers are there.