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[Hijinx]

Lots of info if you want to look it up, but the pacs that are taken out are diagnosed and recharged. Just like a propane bottle exchange. Your bottle is old, beyond stamp date, so you trade it in for a fully safe and refurbished unit. In the case of a new car and pac, you make the choice to either charge it yourself or swap it for a fully charged one. Who cares if your trade-in new or old, you still get a fully functioning charged battery.

I am not making an argument here, but i can fill my bottle for a round $16.00 and if I trade that bottle at my local store it costs $27,00, so I fill mine.
I am no expert mind you, but as batteries het older I imagine they hold a charge for less time. My Propane bottle always holds the same amount. The inspection is a visual one and the most time for having it inspected is the time taken to put a new stamp on it.

 

[glhs837]

I am not making an argument here, but i can fill my bottle for a round $16.00 and if I trade that bottle at my local store it costs $27,00, so I fill mine.
I am no expert mind you, but as batteries het older I imagine they hold a charge for less time. My Propane bottle always holds the same amount. The inspection is a visual one and the most time for having it inspected is the time taken to put a new stamp on it.

Yeah, the swap thing requires a huge amount of back end logistics and I don't know who the hell is supporting that cost. The swap machines the sheer amount of thousands upon thousands of packs that are sitting waiting to be swapped in. It just doesn't make economic sense once you get away from subsidized operations.

 

[Hijinx]

SSo you have

So you have to look at the use case of an armored vehicle for this type of duty. Most of these are not running open road large mileage. Nobody's hopping into these and driving 150 mi out and back. They running people around town in town back and forth to different places in cities.

The Suburban's are running open road, they are being used to transport VIP's from one place to the other, wouldn't the armored Tesla's do the same thing. We aren't talking tanks here we are talking vehicles that transport people.

 

[Sneakers]

I am not making an argument here, but i can fill my bottle for a round $16.00 and if I trade that bottle at my local store it costs $27,00, so I fill mine.
I am no expert mind you, but as batteries het older I imagine they hold a charge for less time. My Propane bottle always holds the same amount. The inspection is a visual one and the most time for having it inspected is the time taken to put a new stamp on it.

When your propane bottle expires, you can buy a new one for $40-50 empty, or trade it in for $25 with a full charge. The batteries are the same. When your EV battery gets old, it could cost thousands to replace, or far less to exchange.

If you check into it, the swap batteries are guaranteed to have a minimum acceptable charge when purchased. You're not just buying a pig in a poke.

 

[Hijinx]

Yeah, the swap thing requires a huge amount of back end logistics and I don't know who the hell is supporting that cost. The swap machines the sheer amount of thousands upon thousands of packs that are sitting waiting to be swapped in. It just doesn't make economic sense once you get away from subsidized operations.

Not only that but Ford's battery won't fit the Tesla and Vice Versa.
As a matter of fact I read that some of Ford's earlier models of EV's have run into a problem of finding a new battery as the older ones are no longer built./

I can't imagine a shop sitting with batteries to fit all different EV's that cost thousands of dollars and then getting stuck with them when the cars they once fitted age out and they are no longer usable.
It may work I don't know, but it doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Sneakers]

The point was that a thought for field-swappable batteries for the Cybertruck could be used. Between Tesla and the military, I have no doubt a portable, specific-use, field exchange unit could be available.

 

[Gilligan]

That is actually what I want for EVs

We're seeing more of something like that for electric boats. Company called "Shift" is one of the largest players in that arena. https://shift-cleanenergy.com/

 

[PeoplesElbow]

The point was that a thought for field-swappable batteries for the Cybertruck could be used. Between Tesla and the military, I have no doubt a portable, specific-use, field exchange unit could be available.

Almost like an aircraft tanker.

 

[glhs837]

The point was that a thought for field-swappable batteries for the Cybertruck could be used. Between Tesla and the military, I have no doubt a portable, specific-use, field exchange unit could be available.

Except of course that when you yank a newer Tesla battery, you get the whole interior.



I see this stuff, but never see any numbers. "Projects" "interest". But never anything thats solid enough to back up real deployments.

NIO's Battery Swap Tech Powers Europe's Energy

NIO, a global leader in smart electric vehicles, is transforming electric vehicle (EV) charging and energy storage across Europe with its advanced Battery

theevreport.com

 

[vraiblonde]

I only posted the article to show the State Dept was buying armored EVs.

I think armored EVs are a waste of money no matter if Tesla, Rivan, Ford etc. I only thought it was funny because it was Tesla.

I'm satisfied with that answer. You think EVs are waste and it's amusing that it's Tesla, given that it's Musk slashing waste.

I think the next president most likely will be a Democrat

IMO there's no reason to think that at this point. As of right this very minute, it's unlikely Democrats will take back power for a very long time. What makes you think Americans will elect a Democrat in 2028?

other things should have a more studied approach to make sure to get the correct stuff.

What makes you believe they aren't doing that?

I think Musk is a mistake.

Why? What specific objection do you have to the job Musk is doing?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I'm satisfied with that answer. You think EVs are waste and it's amusing that it's Tesla, given that it's Musk slashing waste.



IMO there's no reason to think that at this point. As of right this very minute, it's unlikely Democrats will take back power for a very long time. What makes you think Americans will elect a Democrat in 2028?



What makes you believe they aren't doing that?



Why? What specific objection do you have to the job Musk is doing?

I don't think EVs are a waste, I think they are great as a commuter vehicle for someone that just uses it to go to work and back, other more specialized situations and cross country travel absolutely a waste.

Things have swung back and forth like a pendulum so much lately I'd say Dems have a 60/40 edge right now, you heard it here first.

Musk has a history of making rash decisions, over promising and under delivering with over the top theatrics. He has done very little that makes me think he is trustworthy.

Update: other than Reagan then Bush when the the party of a two term president get reelected? FDR/Truman not so sure counts because Truman took over after FDR died. It just doesn't happen that often.

 

[vraiblonde]

Musk has a history of making rash decisions, over promising and under delivering with over the top theatrics.

Can we agree that he is a highly successful and productive person? And that even when he "underdelivers" the results are pretty spectacular?

Or nah?

I don't think EVs are a waste, I think they are great as a commuter vehicle for someone that just uses it to go to work and back

I thought that's what they were for - transporting VIPs and protecting them against assassination/kidnapping attempts. That explains why they're in the State Dept budget instead of, say DoD. So what is their real purpose?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Can we agree that he is a highly successful and productive person? And that even when he "underdelivers" the results are pretty spectacular?

Or nah?



I thought that's what they were for - transporting VIPs and protecting them against assassination/kidnapping attempts. That explains why they're in the State Dept budget instead of, say DoD. So what is their real purpose?

He makes money.

When you do things like add weight the range goes way down, cold weather makes the range go way down, add in the time to "refuel" I don't think they are a good fit.

By a good commuter I am talking about something that makes the drive cheaply. If you need to have two vs a single ICE vehicle just so you always have one on a full charge does that actually save money? Is it worth having a reduced range or something with much more limited range if it's main purpose is safety.

A Ford escort was a great commuter, but wouldn't be very fit for this job either.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I updated a previous post above adding in another reason why I believe the next president will be a D.

 

[Kyle]

 

[glhs837]

He makes money.

When you do things like add weight the range goes way down, cold weather makes the range go way down, add in the time to "refuel" I don't think they are a good fit.

By a good commuter I am talking about something that makes the drive cheaply. If you need to have two vs a single ICE vehicle just so you always have one on a full charge does that actually save money? Is it worth having a reduced range or something with much more limited range if it's main purpose is safety.

A Ford escort was a great commuter, but wouldn't be very fit for this job either.

Again, its horses for courses. If the vehicles you are replacing have a normal daily mileage of 50-120 miles a day, and your uparmored Model S has a range of 200 miles after allowing for cold and armor weight, why not? Keep in mind normal Model S has a 400 mile range.

Outside some edge cases, nobodys hopping in armored vehicles for multi hundred mile jaunts.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Again, its horses for courses. If the vehicles you are replacing have a normal daily mileage of 50-120 miles a day, and your uparmored Model S has a range of 200 miles after allowing for cold and armor weight, why not? Keep in mind normal Model S has a 400 mile range.

Outside some edge cases, nobodys hopping in armored vehicles for multi hundred mile jaunts.

Maybe I've watched too many Tom Clancy movies, but an armored vehicle for the State Dept seems like one of those situations where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

 

[glhs837]

Maybe I've watched too many Tom Clancy movies, but an armored vehicle for the State Dept seems like one of those situations where it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Yep. You have. We try to buy to requirements. Not scriptwriters fantasies. Remember, were not outfitting Delta here. We are keeping diplomats safe as they visit govt buildings and other locations around the posting. What scenario keeps you on the run for three hours?

So, you are Mr. Clark. You borrowed an armored vehicle from the embassy motor pool in say Buenos Aires.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Yep. You have. We try to buy to requirements. Not scriptwriters fantasies. Remember, were not outfitting Delta here. We are keeping diplomats safe as they visit govt buildings and other locations around the posting. What scenario keeps you on the run for three hours?

So, you are Mr. Clark. You borrowed an armored vehicle from the embassy motor pool in say Buenos Aires.

Maybe, but you could use that exact same argument for anyone that thinks they should have a concealed carry permit.

Wonder what the requirement for a truck bed is, sort of strange to use a truck as a taxi.

I was making the assumption these are for some foreign shithole country where armor is actually needed. In the US or Europe where the infrastructure is better and things are generally safer I think they would be ok.

 

[glhs837]

Maybe, but you could use that exact same argument for anyone that thinks they should have a concealed carry permit.

Wonder what the requirement for a truck bed is, sort of strange to use a truck as a taxi.

I was making the assumption these are for some foreign shithole country where armor is actually needed. In the US or Europe where the infrastructure is better and things are generally safer I think they would be ok.

So there's probably not a requirement for a truck bed, but when you run the math on the cost to up armor something that will stop most 9 mil rounds without any assistance and has an air filtration system leaps and bounds beyond normal ones. If it happens to have a truck bed, that's not a loss.

There's a wide range of countries where our diplomats and other folks are at threat that are not total s*** holes. Places like Buenos Aires San Salvador Santiago.
But it's all a moot point now since Tesla's name has been pulled off of that for just this reason that even the appearance of impropriety should not be allowed