DOJ finds a nut
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.... plenty of people especially Asians DO NOT Trust Banks and use cash when starting new business, moving, purchasing vehicles
TPD
the poor dad
You have morphed from who carries thousands in cash to who carries thousands at the airport AND gets stopped by DEA. When I travel for pleasure, It is not uncommon for me to have $2,000+ in cash. I don't care to put my vacation expenses on a credit card. I have never been stopped at an airport because of cash and had it confiscated. As far as business concerns, I have carried $5k+ in cash to make purchases. There are just some things the government does not need to know about me. So I guess in your eyes I am not normal, but you would not be the only one to think that...and I don't deny it...
LightRoasted
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Try not to confine the two premises. These confiscations are not just isolated to airports. I was referring to these things not just restricted to airports, but everywhere, or anywhere people travel.
The taking of large sums of cash from lawful people does not just happen at the airports. There's a thing called legal highway robbery by highwaymen known as 'Police", too. People that have been pulled over such as for speeding, or a tag or brake light out, as the reason for the stop. And when innocent people foolishly allow police, when asked, to search their cars, thinking they "have nothing to hide", and the money found, absent any suspicion of illegal activity, and even with absolutely no criminal charges are ever filed, the money is confiscated. Which is then divvied up between the taking police agency and the federal government. To be spent however they want to spend it. All under the guise of the money possibly being used in the drug trade. And many many many times, the driver doesn't ever get a ticket issued to them for the original reason for being pulled over.
What are you even talking about? When you said, "Who carries that kind of cash on them? People engaged in cash-based illegal activity, that's who." Here you just called everyone that carries large amounts of cash, or has had their money taken/stolen by DEA, or any other law enforcement agency, as partaking in a criminal enterprise. So, in essence, they are the same thing when I said your premise could be construed to also say, "Who carries a concealed firearm with them? People engaged in illegal activity, that's who." Regardless of where such an event took place.
How do the agents know who's carrying a large amount of cash and who isn't? They don't know, until mostly at TSA screenings when people are "flagged" because of a TSA agent seeing the money. Or when coming from overseas and the money is declared on their customs form.
Try not to confine the two premises. These confiscations are not just isolated to airports. I was referring to these things not just restricted to airports, but everywhere, or anywhere people travel.
The taking of large sums of cash from lawful people does not just happen at the airports. There's a thing called legal highway robbery by highwaymen known as 'Police", too. People that have been pulled over such as for speeding, or a tag or brake light out, as the reason for the stop. And when innocent people foolishly allow police, when asked, to search their cars, thinking they "have nothing to hide", and the money found, absent any suspicion of illegal activity, and even with absolutely no criminal charges are ever filed, the money is confiscated. Which is then divvied up between the taking police agency and the federal government. To be spent however they want to spend it. All under the guise of the money possibly being used in the drug trade. And many many many times, the driver doesn't ever get a ticket issued to them for the original reason for being pulled over.
What are you even talking about? When you said, "Who carries that kind of cash on them? People engaged in cash-based illegal activity, that's who." Here you just called everyone that carries large amounts of cash, or has had their money taken/stolen by DEA, or any other law enforcement agency, as partaking in a criminal enterprise. So, in essence, they are the same thing when I said your premise could be construed to also say, "Who carries a concealed firearm with them? People engaged in illegal activity, that's who." Regardless of where such an event took place.
How do the agents know who's carrying a large amount of cash and who isn't? They don't know, until mostly at TSA screenings when people are "flagged" because of a TSA agent seeing the money. Or when coming from overseas and the money is declared on their customs form.
Fine, I'm the only one who doesn't carry large amounts of cash on me at all times. But that still begs the question, how do DEA agents know who's carrying big money? Or do they shake down everyone? So far no one on here has admitted to being stopped by federal agents and had their money taken, yet still are insisting that it "happens all the time".
You say you've never been stopped - why not? If federal agents are just randomly picking people out of a crowd to steal from, why wouldn't they go after you? I've never had them approach me, either, so maybe they somehow knew I don't carry more than $100 cash on me.... But if they can just take everyone's cash, why wouldn't they go after everyone, even the small fry like me? $100 is $100, and you get it for maybe 2 seconds of work.
I am going to suggest that the people who had their cash "confiscated" are on the radar for some reason. I was hoping someone else would put 2 and 2 together and come up with this answer, but....here I am. Alone again, naturally. They aren't innocent cherubs who dint do nuffin, they are known to federal law enforcement because they are already suspected of illegal activity. That's why neither you nor I have ever had DEA up our ass.
Just like when cops pull someone over for some silly reason and "just happen" to smell pot and end up finding drugs or illegal guns. The cops already knew the person had it on them, all they needed was a reason to prove it.
Now we can say people trafficking in drugs or illegal guns is no big deal, and that would be a matter of opinion that could be debated. But saying cops just pull over innocent citizens - your grandpa or some soccer mom - at random to rifle their vehicle and plant drugs and guns on them, or steal whatever cash they happen to have at the airport, seems farfetched.
No, I did not. I said that people engaged in illegal cash-based activity carry large amounts of cash, not that everyone who carries cash is a criminal.
Anyway, this discussion has officially become boring for me. You're right. Cops spend their days grabbing up random people to steal their cash. You're right, you win.
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Grumpy
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I've had that happen to me twice in the last 10 years, get pulled over, cop claims he smells pot and wants to search the car..Both times, I told the LEO damn, you got a great nose since I haven't smoked or had pot in 40 years. The search was dropped..and both times got warnings for whatever. Oh yeah, I like my beer but drugs have been in my rear mirror for probably 50 years.
glhs837
Power with Control
Hi, I'm that picture. I was recently looking at buying a new motorcycle, cash from my own money, not financed. I was looking at a private seller in upper Ohio and one five hours away in PA. Since I was only able to get to Ohio on a Saturday and wanted to head back on it that day, I was going to take cash. To the tune of 20K.
And ya know what, its not anyones freaking business why I was carrying that much cash. Ended up going to PA to the same dealer I bought my last bike from, but also asked them if a cashiers check or cash was better. They said either was fine.
glhs837
Power with Control
Here's one way. Some airline employee was a confidential source. He tipped off the agent when someone made a reservation withing 48 hours of travelling. The agent would search the bag and if they seized money, the airline guy got a cut. The IGs report says he got tens of thousands. So it happened enough for a percentage of what was seized was 10s of thousands. And the only reason this triggered action was that one guy who was fingered recorded the encounter.
BOP
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She's not saying that.Nope, just laughing that YOU think people don't carry cash when traveling
She's asking if any of us on this forum have ever had any money stolen by law enforcement while traveling.
Which is a back-handed way of implying that since none of us has had it happen, or personally knows anyone who had it happen, then it never happens. Kind of a reverse argument by (or of) exception.
I've had cops "confiscate" things; I've lost a couple of really nice Buck knives that way.
But I've never had the amount of scratch on me to warrant a cop's attention, either. Plus, I've never traveled out of CONUS other than when I was haze gray and under way.
But just because none of us, or any of the people we know (as far as we know) has had this happen, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The internet has been rife with civil asset seizure horror stories for years. The most well-known guy who talks about it is that lawyer dude out of Michigan - can't remember his name right off the bat, but he's talked several times over the years about it.
What's more unusual is when the government actually gives someone back their money. That's a man bites dog kind of scenario that happens about once in a blue moon.
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Bullsh*t (people don't carry much cash) IS what she is saying!She's not saying that.
She's asking if any of us on this forum have ever had any money stolen by law enforcement while traveling.
Which is a back-handed way of implying that since none of us has had it happen, or personally knows anyone who had it happen, then it never happens. Kind of a reverse argument by (or of) exception.
I've had cops "confiscate" things; I've lost a couple of really nice Buck knives that way.
But I've never had the amount of scratch on me to warrant a cop's attention, either. Plus, I've never traveled out of CONUS other than when I was haze gray and under way.
But just because none of us, or any of the people we know (as far as we know) has had this happen, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. The internet has been rife with civil asset seizure horror stories for years. The most well-known guy who talks about it is that lawyer dude out of Michigan - can't remember his name right off the bat, but he's talked several times over the years about it.
What's more unusual is when the government actually gives someone back their money. That's a man bites dog kind of scenario that happens about once in a blue moon.
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Because law enforcement just can’t stop taking money from innocent people, here’s another roadside shitshow that has resulted in an attempt to force the government to give back money it…
LightRoasted
If I may ...
For your consideration ...
As the declared the winner, I feel it my responsibility to assist you in your search for answers, once again. Answered in the order you posted .....
1.) DEA agents, (absent any prior knowledge of a person under investigation or as a suspect), know because they are tipped off. Either by agents at airports working the security checkpoints, or by undercover DEA agents working the TSA security checkpoint lines. Or, by going over the Customs Declaration Form OMB NO.1651-0009 that have been filled out by passengers that are leaving, or coming into, the United States, via international fights. Coming into the the US, regardless of nationality, these forms are filled out and collected by airline staff about an hour in advance of the aircraft landing. Everyone goes through customs and immigration both ways on an international trip.
The question on the Customs Declaration Form OMB NO.1651-0009.
The statement concerning money on the form.
Even the US Government states on the form itself that all carrying any amount of money, is legal.
2.) Can you imagine the outcry if a DEA agent, or the police, started confiscating small amounts of money from people just because? Agent/Police: This $100-$200-$300 you are carrying is highly suspect. Why are you carrying around this much money? Only drug users, and drug dealers, carry this much. We are going to relive you of this and take it. Yes, even though you haven't committed a crime, nor do we think you committed a crime, or are going to commit a crime, and that we really can't articulate any valid suspicions or possible motives for you having this money, but we think you are guilty of something drug related. Since we don't believe your explanation why you have this money, (wink-wink inside their heads), but just in case, because we, (assume), think there is probable cause, it's ours now. Pretty sure if this happened it would be considered outright armed robbery and theft by any government agent. Just as it is considered outright theft when larger amounts are taken absent any actual evidence of criminal activity.
3.) You would be incorrect, that those that have had their monies confiscated "are on the radar for some reason." These armed DEA agents, and armed police on the highways, are just fishing. Searching for law abiding people to mess with, and profit from the theft. It is only when they find someone with a large amount of cash, that they are then on the radar. When before such interaction, those DEA agents hadn't a clue.
Here is what the term is: Civil Asset Forfeiture. In the United States, law enforcement agencies have the authority to seize cash and other assets suspected of being connected to criminal activity, even if no criminal charges are filed against the owner.
On highways and roads, police may, do, seize cash from motorists during traffic stops, often in areas with high drug trafficking activity. Of course though, every area in the US can be declared areas with high drug trafficking activity. Every highway and road can be considered a trafficking corridor. Because illegal drugs, and those transporting them, are really everywhere. So in the DEA and police criminal thug mind, everyone is suspect and fair game to steal people's money.
Now, you may ask. What is the monetary threshold that armed agents might confiscate, (aka commit armed robbery), from lawful citizens just because they want to under the guise of suspecting?
A 2020 study found that the median cash forfeiture in 21 states that track such data was $1,300.
And the reason is greed. That's why it is actually armed robbery. The Department of Justice’s Equitable Sharing Program allows federal agencies to collaborate with state and local police, enabling local agencies to recover up to 80% of seized assets, regardless of state laws limiting the percentage of seized assets they can keep.
I hope this helps you to understand how far too many innocent people get caught up in this type of dragnet. Besides, the vast majority of bad guys, high level and low level that deal in the drug/narcotic trade, are already on the radar at some point. It's just that government agents always always always take the path of least resistance. And taking money from innocent people is a path of least resistance.
As the declared the winner, I feel it my responsibility to assist you in your search for answers, once again. Answered in the order you posted .....
1.) DEA agents, (absent any prior knowledge of a person under investigation or as a suspect), know because they are tipped off. Either by agents at airports working the security checkpoints, or by undercover DEA agents working the TSA security checkpoint lines. Or, by going over the Customs Declaration Form OMB NO.1651-0009 that have been filled out by passengers that are leaving, or coming into, the United States, via international fights. Coming into the the US, regardless of nationality, these forms are filled out and collected by airline staff about an hour in advance of the aircraft landing. Everyone goes through customs and immigration both ways on an international trip.
The question on the Customs Declaration Form OMB NO.1651-0009.
The statement concerning money on the form.
Even the US Government states on the form itself that all carrying any amount of money, is legal.
2.) Can you imagine the outcry if a DEA agent, or the police, started confiscating small amounts of money from people just because? Agent/Police: This $100-$200-$300 you are carrying is highly suspect. Why are you carrying around this much money? Only drug users, and drug dealers, carry this much. We are going to relive you of this and take it. Yes, even though you haven't committed a crime, nor do we think you committed a crime, or are going to commit a crime, and that we really can't articulate any valid suspicions or possible motives for you having this money, but we think you are guilty of something drug related. Since we don't believe your explanation why you have this money, (wink-wink inside their heads), but just in case, because we, (assume), think there is probable cause, it's ours now. Pretty sure if this happened it would be considered outright armed robbery and theft by any government agent. Just as it is considered outright theft when larger amounts are taken absent any actual evidence of criminal activity.
3.) You would be incorrect, that those that have had their monies confiscated "are on the radar for some reason." These armed DEA agents, and armed police on the highways, are just fishing. Searching for law abiding people to mess with, and profit from the theft. It is only when they find someone with a large amount of cash, that they are then on the radar. When before such interaction, those DEA agents hadn't a clue.
Here is what the term is: Civil Asset Forfeiture. In the United States, law enforcement agencies have the authority to seize cash and other assets suspected of being connected to criminal activity, even if no criminal charges are filed against the owner.
On highways and roads, police may, do, seize cash from motorists during traffic stops, often in areas with high drug trafficking activity. Of course though, every area in the US can be declared areas with high drug trafficking activity. Every highway and road can be considered a trafficking corridor. Because illegal drugs, and those transporting them, are really everywhere. So in the DEA and police criminal thug mind, everyone is suspect and fair game to steal people's money.
Now, you may ask. What is the monetary threshold that armed agents might confiscate, (aka commit armed robbery), from lawful citizens just because they want to under the guise of suspecting?
A 2020 study found that the median cash forfeiture in 21 states that track such data was $1,300.
And the reason is greed. That's why it is actually armed robbery. The Department of Justice’s Equitable Sharing Program allows federal agencies to collaborate with state and local police, enabling local agencies to recover up to 80% of seized assets, regardless of state laws limiting the percentage of seized assets they can keep.
I hope this helps you to understand how far too many innocent people get caught up in this type of dragnet. Besides, the vast majority of bad guys, high level and low level that deal in the drug/narcotic trade, are already on the radar at some point. It's just that government agents always always always take the path of least resistance. And taking money from innocent people is a path of least resistance.
I sold a hovercraft for $20,000 Canadian. The Canadians paid me with a grocery bag full of cash. I broke that down in to thirds to take to my bank and exchange to US dollars.
I woulda had a lot of fun explaining those bags of cash...LOL.
When I bought my Pantera, I carried about 20 grand in cash out to Baton Rouge to settle the purchase.
I've bought and sold many vehicles (and boats) where the transaction was cash only.
My daughter worked the last two years as head steward on a charter yacht in the Greek islands. Saved all of her tips - all cash of course. A LOT of cash, as it turned out. Typical tip amount for a one-week charter would be at least 2 grand.
And...what about all the Monday morning trips to the bank with 8-10-12 grand to deposit, from previous weekend at my resort.
https://ij.org/issues/private-prope...ently-asked-questions-about-civil-forfeiture/
I woulda had a lot of fun explaining those bags of cash...LOL.
When I bought my Pantera, I carried about 20 grand in cash out to Baton Rouge to settle the purchase.
I've bought and sold many vehicles (and boats) where the transaction was cash only.
My daughter worked the last two years as head steward on a charter yacht in the Greek islands. Saved all of her tips - all cash of course. A LOT of cash, as it turned out. Typical tip amount for a one-week charter would be at least 2 grand.
And...what about all the Monday morning trips to the bank with 8-10-12 grand to deposit, from previous weekend at my resort.
https://ij.org/issues/private-prope...ently-asked-questions-about-civil-forfeiture/
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LightRoasted
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Yes they do. Especially those having a great distrust of government. And those that want to keep any, or all, of their transactions from government's prying eyes.
Yes they do. Especially those having a great distrust of government. And those that want to keep any, or all, of their transactions from government's prying eyes.
Okay, so we have established that cops spend their days accosting innocent citizens and stealing their money. We can't even leave our homes without the cops mugging us. The internet says so. So the obvious answer to the problem is ACAB and need to be defunded, shut down, just like Democrats said.
Then why didn't you guys vote for Kamala? She wants to shut down policing, and it seems to be very important to you. So why would you vote for the pro-LE guy instead of the woman who wanted to get these thugs off your back?
It can't possibly be that this happens rarely, it clearly happens every single second of every day - it's on the internet. I have no idea why you all who carry large sums of cash haven't had it stolen by cops. It doesn't make any sense at all why they'd go after some and not others, especially since they can just take whatever they want, put it in their pocket, and there's nothing you can do about it.
What did you guys do that deterred the cops from stealing your money? Maybe that's what everyone needs to do.
Then why didn't you guys vote for Kamala? She wants to shut down policing, and it seems to be very important to you. So why would you vote for the pro-LE guy instead of the woman who wanted to get these thugs off your back?
It can't possibly be that this happens rarely, it clearly happens every single second of every day - it's on the internet. I have no idea why you all who carry large sums of cash haven't had it stolen by cops. It doesn't make any sense at all why they'd go after some and not others, especially since they can just take whatever they want, put it in their pocket, and there's nothing you can do about it.
What did you guys do that deterred the cops from stealing your money? Maybe that's what everyone needs to do.
glhs837
Power with Control
Why is this your go-to whenever people show you eyou are wrong? Some DEA agents did this just like some cops are not good cops. Nobody here said anything about acab or that we need to shut down the cops or the DEA. Just the bad ones. Doing bad s***.
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