DWI Checkpoints

[soul4sale]

I suppose you can't (not that I know anything about you) but, perhaps, not until you lost a child due to a drunk driver will you understand.

It's not a matter of "understanding." It's a matter of focus. If you lose your child to a drunk driver, of course you're going to be a crusader for all things Nazi enough to get revenge on every last drunk. That's why we have a Constitution, to prevent people from ramming their personal vendettas into the structural supports of our free society.

 

[RadioPatrol]

So when we pull people over for speeding, or tail light violations, are you suggesting we shouldn't run their license? Do you know that a robbery investigation in Maryland was greatly assisted because a patrol officer pulled a vehicle over for speeding, and upon check of the license of the driver found he was suspended, and upon search of the vehicle incident to arrest found guns stolen in a robbery? Upon further investigation, apprehended a subject for murder based on evidence and questioning of these individuals. Isn't that what you pay us to do?

Fine if I am speeding, of course your going to run my license and tags .... it is the next series of steps I take issue with .....

....do you have any drugs or weapons in the car ? - WTF does that have to do with a tail light ....... or speeding ?

write he the speeding ticket and send me on my way .....

or do you ask because you REALLY want to search my car because your fishing for other things ... using my speeding as probably cause to search my car ......

 

[smcop]

Fine if I am speeding, of course your going to run my license and tags .... it is the next series of steps I take issue with .....

....do you have any drugs or weapons in the car ? - WTF does that have to do with a tail light ....... or speeding ?

write he the speeding ticket and send me on my way .....

or do you ask because you REALLY want to search my car because your fishing for other things ... using my speeding as probably cause to search my car ......

Speeding is not probable cause to search your car. Now, if you had been smoking marijuana and I smell it coming from inside your car, then that is probable cause to search your car. If I ask you if you have drugs or weapons in the car, and you reply in the affirmative, that is probable cause to search your car.

Didn't you read the post earlier, where I explained that a simple traffic stop led to the apprehension of several robbers, multiple guns, and a murder? If these thugs killed someone you cared about, wouldn't you want that police officer doing exactly what he did?

 

[smcop]

Catching these guys in this case was great, I have to give you that but I do have a question?

How did the officer determine that he needed to pull the car over? What was the problem?

Secondly and more importantly, especially in Southern MD, how do you get to go from a "driving on a suspended" to searching the vehicle "incident to the arrest"? I read that to mean that if a person is driving on a suspended license you can search his/her car, house... Whatever you want... Is that correct? If so, where is the probable cause there?

Seems to happen alot here... More cases of "smoking device" in plain view here than anywhere I have ever lived..

The stop was for speeding.

It is a supreme court case. Upon arrest of an individual, you have the right to search within arms reach of where the person had been for weapons, or other contraban. In essence, you can search the passenger compartment of the vehicle incident to arrest. Now if you are storing the vehicle, you are mandated to search the vehicle for inventory purposes. There isn't a seperate probable cause for the search, the search is incident to arrest. All legal doctrine.

As for plain view, well nobody said criminals were brilliant. It does happen a lot. People who use dope are well.....sometimes dopes. It's like the guy who goes to buy crack, and the crack dealer doesn't give him the adequate amount. The guy feels like he was cheated and calls the police. Sounds crazy, but it happened.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Speeding is not probable cause to search your car. Now, if you had been smoking marijuana and I smell it coming from inside your car, then that is probable cause to search your car. If I ask you if you have drugs or weapons in the car, and you reply in the affirmative, that is probable cause to search your car.

and why are you asking ?

what does my speeding have to do with drugs

You do not smell anything ....

... so where does the conversation go from here ? do you get your Dope Dog out and give me the Supreme Court Lecture about how your legally allowed to walk your DOG around my car, that I have to get out and leave the windows down while you walk your mutt around my car 3 times

Coaching your Mutt to bark when you want him to "Claiming" he indicated there are drugs in the car

..... since I cannot put your mutt on the witness stand I have only the word of those in power to their Honesty ..... Oh and of course Police NEVER plant Drugs to make a bust ....





If had a weapon, I am smart enough to say No Sir .... I know there are some dumb asses who will answer YES



I always Yes Sir / No Sir when dealing with Police .....

 

[RadioPatrol]

Didn't you read the post earlier, where I explained that a simple traffic stop led to the apprehension of several robbers, multiple guns, and a murder? If these thugs killed someone you cared about, wouldn't you want that police officer doing exactly what he did?

Yes I read the post ... the driver was driving on a suspended license ..... you ignored my comments .........


why does my speeding or tail light being out, lead to

"Do you have any drugs or weapons in the car"



If I did, do you think I would tell you ........ I realize your used to dealing with Dumb Criminals .........


Your going to "probable cause" your way into my car if you "Feel" like it .... anyway ......

sure driving on a suspended gets you the cause ..... but I never mentioned that ..........

 

[AK-74me]

I was pulled over not too long ago for "failure to stay right of center". Cop noticed an odor of alcohol coming from the vehicle and demanded that I take a field sobriety test and consent to search of the vehicle (which wasn't mine). Sure, I did both. Passed because I was the DD.

I don't have a problem at all with cops running licenses and plates when they pull someone over, but have a valid and legitimate reason to do it. Don't just make-up that a driver crossed the center line.

I'd like to think that the majority of cops in this county are doing a decent job.

I know that was probably the path of least resistance but why people consent to searches so easily is beyond me. NO PC, NO search for me.

Next thing you know it's why do you have these loose 9mm rounds under your seat????

-Well sir my range bag spilled 2 weeks ago while I was...

At the least I get a stern lecture and get accused of being a ranging maniac ready to go on a shooting spree.

No thanks.

 

[desertrat]

Fine if I am speeding, of course your going to run my license and tags .... it is the next series of steps I take issue with .....do you have any drugs or weapons in the car ? - WTF does that have to do with a tail light ....... or speeding ?
write he the speeding ticket and send me on my way .....
or do you ask because you REALLY want to search my car because your fishing for other things ... using my speeding as probably cause to search my car ......

I have never been asked those questions.

I know that was probably the path of least resistance but why people consent to searches so easily is beyond me. NO PC, NO search for me.

Next thing you know it's why do you have these loose 9mm rounds under your seat????

-Well sir my range bag spilled 2 weeks ago while I was...

At the least I get a stern lecture and get accused of being a ranging maniac ready to go on a shooting spree.

No thanks.

The only time I was asked if they could search, I hadn't even been pulled over. I was just sitting in the parking lot of a store letting my kid try out his new skates and the silent alarm in the store had gone off. I said go ahead and look just to prove I had nothing to do with it.

Thankfully I had left my breaking and entering kit at home.

 

[ylexot]

Let's see if I can explain this a little better. Two scenarios:

Scenario A - Cop sees a speeder and pulls them over. Cop then runs their plates and license.

Scenario B - Cop sees someone and just doesn't like how they look and wants to check their license. Cop tails them to try to find a reason to pull them over so that they can check their license. Happy Day! They're going 5 mph over the speed limit! Now the cop can check their license under the auspices of a "routine traffic stop" even though they routinely let people go for just going 5 mph over.

Scenario A - no problem.
Scenario B - yeah, I have a problem with that. Smcop calls it "proactive policing". I call it a bastardization of the law.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Let's see if I can explain this a little better. Two scenarios:

Scenario B - Cop sees someone and just doesn't like how they look and wants to check their license.

Profiling ? :shrug:

I believe the Brothers call this DWB - aka driving while black

 

[smcop]

and why are you asking ?

what does my speeding have to do with drugs

You do not smell anything ....

... so where does the conversation go from here ? do you get your Dope Dog out and give me the Supreme Court Lecture about how your legally allowed to walk your DOG around my car, that I have to get out and leave the windows down while you walk your mutt around my car 3 times

Coaching your Mutt to bark when you want him to "Claiming" he indicated there are drugs in the car

..... since I cannot put your mutt on the witness stand I have only the word of those in power to their Honesty ..... Oh and of course Police NEVER plant Drugs to make a bust ....





If had a weapon, I am smart enough to say No Sir .... I know there are some dumb asses who will answer YES



I always Yes Sir / No Sir when dealing with Police .....

You are just adding stuff into it that isn't there. If a police officer lies, then he is scum! If a police officer plants drugs, then he/she is worse than the worst drug dealer! I have had people tell me they have drugs in the car. I have had people tell me they have guns in the car. I have had people tell me they have committed horrible crimes. You claim to be smart enough, but for every 100 people who may have drugs in their car, or a gun in theri car who say no, there is the one that will say yes. That is why we ask the question.

Now we can't call a dope dog to the scene, but if one is there it is perfectly legal to have them scan the car while we are writing your ticket.

Now, have you ever had the police plant drugs on you? Have you ever had a police dog search your car and not find drugs, but then the police plant them?

 

[smcop]

Let's see if I can explain this a little better. Two scenarios:

Scenario A - Cop sees a speeder and pulls them over. Cop then runs their plates and license.

Scenario B - Cop sees someone and just doesn't like how they look and wants to check their license. Cop tails them to try to find a reason to pull them over so that they can check their license. Happy Day! They're going 5 mph over the speed limit! Now the cop can check their license under the auspices of a "routine traffic stop" even though they routinely let people go for just going 5 mph over.

Scenario A - no problem.
Scenario B - yeah, I have a problem with that. Smcop calls it "proactive policing". I call it a bastardization of the law.

If the people don't go 5 mph over the speed, then the police officer has no reason to stop them. Don't break the law and you don't have to worry about it. Break the law and then you have a problem. There are some police who pull people over for 5mph. Have you ever driven on base?

Quite frankly, who cares if you call it a bastardization of the law. It's legal. If you don't like the game, then get your congress man to change it. But if we are operating within the rules, well, tough.

 

[CalvertNewbie]

If the driver of the car is the registered owner of the vehicle , they have the ability to know your whole history before they ever turn on the flashing light. Once they have you on the side of the road, what you reap is what you sow.JMO.

Yeah I'm not sure yet how it is here in SOMD but in NY, by the time they walk up to your car they already know if your registration (& license of the registered owner) is good. I have no issue with dirtbags being arrested for outstanding warrants/drugs. A guy recently got arrested for drugs in his car in Prince Frederick & guess what?! He's a convicted sex offender. A real winner living right across 2/4 from me. So I'm not gonna feel sorry for him that his car got searched & he's back in jail for yet another offense. In fact, he's not the only one in his family who lives over there who is a convicted sex offender. Great parenting there, but that's for another forum! Get 'em off the streets - they're breaking the law & should be punished accordingly. It makes complete sense to me that the cops would run license/registration while pulling people over. I have to agree with other forumites regarding vehicle searches down here. I've never heard of so many instances of vehicle searches before moving here. But I'm not worried because I have nothing to hide.

 

[CalvertNewbie]

I'd also like to add that I don't appreciate being pulled over for "ridiculous reasons" in order for the Calvert County Cops to fish for DUI's. I've never seen so many DUI's in one (rural) county in my life! But I have to say that they don't try to hide the fact that they're tough on DUI's - they have signs posted all over the place showing how many DUI arrests have been made this year. You'd think people would know not to take the chance. I've said this before - they need taxi service around here and the roads would be safer.

 

[MMDad]

Do you have some data to back that up? And "he played cops and robbers in kindergarten" doesn't count.

Chalres Albright was pre-med, then became a school teacher.

Richard Angelo was a nurse.

Andrew Cunanan was definitely not a cop or soldoer.

Jeffrey Dahmer's father forced him to enlist. I don't think that really counts.

Albert Fish was a house painter.

John Wayne Gacy was a shoe salesman and wanted to be a clown.

And the list goes on and on.

Kris, can you either back up your allegation or retract the statement?

TIA!

 

[PsyOps]

It's not a matter of "understanding." It's a matter of focus. If you lose your child to a drunk driver, of course you're going to be a crusader for all things Nazi enough to get revenge on every last drunk. That's why we have a Constitution, to prevent people from ramming their personal vendettas into the structural supports of our free society.

Revenge? Hmmm... I'd rather think of it as protecting the innocent. But if you want to call that revenge against drunk drivers then so be it.

 

[smcop]

It's not a matter of "understanding." It's a matter of focus. If you lose your child to a drunk driver, of course you're going to be a crusader for all things Nazi enough to get revenge on every last drunk. That's why we have a Constitution, to prevent people from ramming their personal vendettas into the structural supports of our free society.

Nobody has yet to tell me what is wrong with a police officer using lawful tactics to get drunks, drugs, guns, or any other crime? If the officer is acting within the Constitution, then what is the harm?

 

[smcop]

Kris, can you either back up your allegation or retract the statement?

TIA!

Kris just made that up, and I think might be a little embarresed that he/she got caught saying something dopey!

 

[RadioPatrol]

I have had people tell me they have committed horrible crimes. You claim to be smart enough, but for every 100 people who may have drugs in their car, or a gun in their car who say no, there is the one that will say yes. That is why we ask the question.

Now we can't call a dope dog to the scene, but if one is there it is perfectly legal to have them scan the car while we are writing your ticket.

So what other coercive tactics do you use after being told no, to get people to consent to your search ....


so if you already have the mutt in your cruiser do you automatically get the dog out and start walking him around the car ..... ? while your partner writes the ticket ....

I still take issue with dogs .... since I cannot question the dog, how do I know he really found something ... or you just were not coaching the mutt to bark ....


well I cannot pull up the video or the Cookeville Tenn. Cop planting drugs, it seems the video has been pulled from YouTube .... and he was cleared .... seems dude admitted to having some drugs on him .... one wonders if he just copped to the possession charge .... since the Professional had to search the same pocket 4 times before finding the weed .....

 

[AK-74me]

So what other coercive tactics do you use after being told no, to get people to consent to your search ....


so if you already have the mutt in your cruiser do you automatically get the dog out and start walking him around the car ..... ? while your partner writes the ticket ....

I still take issue with dogs .... since I cannot question the dog, how do I know he really found something ... or you just were not coaching the mutt to bark ....


well I cannot pull up the video or the Cookeville Tenn. Cop planting drugs, it seems the video has been pulled from YouTube .... and he was cleared .... seems dude admitted to having some drugs on him .... one wonders if he just copped to the possession charge .... since the Professional had to search the same pocket 4 times before finding the weed .....

Here

BLUtube - Cookeville TN Police Planting Drugs on Suspect