Esperanza Lanes

[3CATSAILOR]

But what authority governs this? Is there some law out there that governs competition between bowling alleys. The base lanes isn't the only MWR facility that tracks the affiliation of its customers. The base pool does as well.

Correct. The Federal Government is not allowed to compete with a private enterprise.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

Will not be in " Maryland" Judiciary case search since it is a "Federal" issue.

 

[awpitt]

Correct. The Federal Government is not allowed to compete with a private enterprise.

If this was true, the base would have to shut down all of the MWR facilities, the Navy Exchange, and the commissary.

 

[BernieP]

If this was true, the base would have to shut down all of the MWR facilities, the Navy Exchange, and the commissary.

I don't think he knows of what he speaks. But the drill hall is different than the Exchange and Commissary in that non-military personnel are not allowed to use them.
But while the drill hall and the theater are open to non-military, access to the base is still restricted so not everyone can use the facilities, just those with base access

Nobody has complained about the drill hall and unfair advantage they have over gyms. Or the base theater. Just showed another free sneak preview the past Sunday.

 

[spr1975wshs]

Just showed another free sneak preview the past Sunday.

"Sully" is a good movie.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

Carbon testing of the Coke residue in the carpet padding at Esperanza Lanes might tell the story...

They sell Pepsi too if you don't like Coke.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

Movie Theater and others that complete against the government are equally able within the law to file a similar complaint. If the base had a massive movie theater like is out in town, I am sure you might here some thoughts about it. The base does not.

I don't think he knows of what he speaks. But the drill hall is different than the Exchange and Commissary in that non-military personnel are not allowed to use them.
But while the drill hall and the theater are open to non-military, access to the base is still restricted so not everyone can use the facilities, just those with base access

Nobody has complained about the drill hall and unfair advantage they have over gyms. Or the base theater. Just showed another free sneak preview the past Sunday.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

B fning S

The government does not have endless funds, we have what we call laws, people go to jail for spending funds not appropriated by congress.
People go to jail for miss using appropriated funds.
If you have been paying attention, capital funds for O&M have been even more scarce than RDT&E dollars. So MWR, which is charged with the operation of the base bowling alley, has very limited resources which they make the most of.
There has been a long standing policy on access to MWR facilities by both government and contract support who work on the base, as well as the faculty and staff of St. Mary's College of MD.
My gut says there was no law suit, just some whining because the idiot can't run a business.
If people choose to not use your business, you might want to find out why and ADDRESS the REASONS for the lost business, don't spout off some lame ass excuse that can be propagated by ill-informed butt holes.

Yeah, good point about St. Mary's College. I remember the day when they were NOT allowed. Do they have military ID? Dependents of the miliary? No and no. As for the funding, I am not sure the last time you were bowling on base. It is well taken care of . Why, because it continues to be well funded. Quite simple actually.

 

[awpitt]

I don't think he knows of what he speaks. But the drill hall is different than the Exchange and Commissary in that non-military personnel are not allowed to use them.
But while the drill hall and the theater are open to non-military, access to the base is still restricted so not everyone can use the facilities, just those with base access

Nobody has complained about the drill hall and unfair advantage they have over gyms. Or the base theater. Just showed another free sneak preview the past Sunday.

I was already aware of what you said. Even though the base obviously has restricted access, people who have base access also have access to establishments off base so they have a choice therefore competition exists. So, if there's some type a law/regulation prohibiting the base from competing with the private sector, the base would have to restrict access to MWR facilities to military only. Since that hasn't happened, it's hard to believe any such law/regulation exists.

 

[BernieP]

I was already aware of what you said. Even though the base obviously has restricted access, people who have base access also have access to establishments off base so they have a choice therefore competition exists. So, if there's some type a law/regulation prohibiting the base from competing with the private sector, the base would have to restrict access to MWR facilities to military only. Since that hasn't happened, it's hard to believe any such law/regulation exists.

I would agree and the notion that MWR has unlimited funds is just plain stupid. NDW doesn't have money to fix facilities let alone throw into amenities like the bowling alley.
The truth is, they do what they can, with the funds available and it speaks volumes for Esperanza Lanes that a for profit business has not been maintained at the same if not better level.

 

[clockaleanie]

Yeah, good point about St. Mary's College. I remember the day when they were NOT allowed. Do they have military ID? Dependents of the miliary? No and no. As for the funding, I am not sure the last time you were bowling on base. It is well taken care of . Why, because it continues to be well funded. Quite simple actually.

The college is not allowed anymore, actually haven't been for at least 5 years.

 

[awpitt]

I would agree and the notion that MWR has unlimited funds is just plain stupid. NDW doesn't have money to fix facilities let alone throw into amenities like the bowling alley.
The truth is, they do what they can, with the funds available and it speaks volumes for Esperanza Lanes that a for profit business has not been maintained at the same if not better level.

I never suggested that MWR has unlimited funds.

 

[Goldenhawk]

... it speaks volumes for Esperanza Lanes that a for profit business has not been maintained at the same if not better level.

Yep. No different than the case of the old (now basically dead) movie theater: in the absence of competition (really, the base alley isn't serious competition no matter what Esperanza may think), there's no incentive to improve. Something better shows up, people go there instead. That's why Esperanza still looks largely the same as the first time I went there over 20 years ago: nothing better is available to the general public.

On the other hand, the base alley knows they have serious competition, and they work hard at staying nice. And those who have a choice go there.

That right there is capitalism the way it's supposed to work.

 

[BernieP]

I never suggested that MWR has unlimited funds.

you didn't the cranky fart did.

 

[BernieP]

On the other hand, the base alley knows they have serious competition, and they work hard at staying nice. And those who have a choice go there.

That right there is capitalism the way it's supposed to work.

I think they know they there will be consequences if there are complaints. Capitalism requires a profit motive, by law, they can't make a profit.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[3CATSAILOR]

you didn't the cranky fart did.

I guess a person who bowls a lot is called an alley cat. Therefore, when you get a bunch of people together who like the game, it sounds like a bunch of alley cats fighting (lol).