EV START-UP BOOM IS OVER! Scarred by WIRE & SECURITIES FRAUD!

[SamSpade]

I cant believe anyone would want solar IMO its garbage and saving your electric bill I dont think so atleast in my case my home is 3100 square feet my electric bill is 180-190 dollars a month when I had the house built 22 years ago I upgraded windows and the insulation back then the highest bill we ever had was 96 dollars it was usaull y 70-80 dollars and yes its all electric.I for one would never want 6 workers on my roof at the same time putting bolts into my roof

Consider yourself lucky. Unless you have city water and gas heat - two items that I use electric for that might make the bill different - my electric bill is more than twice yours on a good day on a house about the same size and of comparable age.

 

[SamSpade]

There is something called a 'multiplier' which is a factor used to double or triple the KWH used. For homes, it's rarely a number other than 1. You might check that. It should be on the bill.

Thanks. Just read it. It's a one. Sometimes I wonder if I just have an extremely drafty house. I spent a lot of money during the pandemic to insulate my attic practically to the roof.

 

[Clem72]

Thanks. Just read it. It's a one. Sometimes I wonder if I just have an extremely drafty house. I spent a lot of money during the pandemic to insulate my attic practically to the roof.

My house is the same. I blame the huge number of windows I have in the house and I suspect they forgot to insulate half my exterior walls. My previous house was almost the same size but cost less than half to keep heated in the winter and I have a newer/more efficient heat pump in my current house.

 

[Hijinx]

A friend took out a 2nd. mortgage on his home to get solar panels and is braggin on how cheap his electric bill is at the same time paying monthly on his 2nd mortgage.
I guess that makes sense to him---------but not to me.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.

You said they base their warranty numbers off of pristine lab testing, don't go moving the goal posts.

Well of course they do. And after so many years, when those panels start to have their output seriously reduced or start to fail, they will blame it on something else entirely. Because if they did honest to goodness actual real world testing, and put those numbers in their sales brochure, it wouldn't look as attractive now would it? Caveat emptor.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

As HUGE as our electric bill is, typically - we're now over 500 month - I do wonder if I would see electric being used if I TURNED THE WHOLE HOUSE OFF. I swsear, I see that little dial moving when there just can't be much running.

I know on long vacations, I've turned down the furnace, turned off everything and still didn't notice a big dffierence in the bill.

Water heating, refrigerator/freezer are the big things that are not HVAC.

Unless you run 500W halogen lamps in every room all the time for light the lights are a blip on the bill.

Other things that are on 24/7 can use a lot just from being on all the time. I remember you saying you had a large number of cable boxes.

 

[Bonehead]

Any item with an instant on feature is an electric vampire. They all add up 24/7 using a small amount of power.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Other problems with EV's is insurance costs. Usually double that of an ICE car. Since just a little fender bender can total the car, insurance write-off, because of the possibility of battery pack damage. Battery pack replacements alone, minus labor, can cost up to $20,000 or more, more that the vehicle is worth. And with all the accidents that happen today just with regular vehicles ..... And also, these cars can't just be dropped into a metal crusher, those battery packs have to be removed and disposed of separately. None of which has been taken into account.

The future of EV's, is that there is no future for EV's.

 

[BOP]

You know, when it comes to the government intervening and trying to "prime the pump" as it were, to try to promote a product or technology - I can't recall ANY such effort being successful - or at least, being the PRIMARY source of intervention, being successful.

The old expression "build a better mousetrap" - seems to almost ALWAYS work. Make an electric car CHEAPER to use and maintain than a car with a combustion engine - and they'll be lining up outside the door.

Can anyone recall a product or service - one in private industry - that the governmnet promoted as the primary motivator - that succeeded?

I remember during Obama's administration, when he was trying to advance the use of solar panels - that one of the results was a wiping OUT of certain businesses, because the government PICKED which companies it wanted to help. Now, if you make solar panels and the government is bankrolling your competitor - wouldn't YOU close up shop, since you can never hope to compete successfully?

If Uncle Sam wants businesses that produce green technology to succeed, they need to stop thinking that all they need to do is find a way to cheapen their cost (by subsidizng them or asssisting companies) to make mass production productive - and start innovating in the technology and providing it to them.

Government subsidies worked really well - for the Japanese in the '50s and '60s, when they were dumping on our markets.

Of course, the Japanese gov't was using money that would ordinarily have gone to paying for defense, but since the United States had that covered....

 

[Kinnakeet]

Consider yourself lucky. Unless you have city water and gas heat - two items that I use electric for that might make the bill different - my electric bill is more than twice yours on a good day on a house about the same size and of comparable age.

deep well and heat pump with propane back up

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

"Many automotive manufacturers, including Tesla, have made battery packs a structural part of the car to reduce cost products but have shifted costs to consumers and insurers when batteries need to be replaced."

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Insight: Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car

For many electric vehicles, there is no way to repair or assess even slightly damaged battery packs after accidents, forcing insurance companies to write off cars with few miles - leading to higher premiums and undercutting gains from going electric.

www.reuters.com

 

[Hijinx]

Remember when you could replace the battery in your cell phone?

 

[spr1975wshs]

Remember when you could replace the battery in your cell phone?

I still can, my tablet, too.

 

[glhs837]

I still can, my tablet, too.

Same here. But most won't. Just like most won't for cars. And most shouldn't need to, really. Especially the Tesla structural pack. Unlike a pouch pack, its basically solid state. Individual cells can die and not take the pack with it. And they can still be removed and replaced and recycled.

 

[somdwatch]

I went to school (in the 70's) with the guy who started Solyndra. Even at 16, he was convinced solar would change the world.
Being 17 and planning to go into nuclear engineering - a major I changed after Three Mile Island - I was convinced it would be nuclear.

I read from a mutual friend during that catastrophe that he had a lot of regrets over the whole debacle.

Living east of 3 Mile Island we went up to the Poconos and had a kegger! I have no regrets of the debacle!

 

[SamSpade]

Living east of 3 Mile Island we went up to the Poconos and had a kegger! I have no regrets of the debacle!

My bad - the “regrets” remark was in reference to Solyndra. Sometimes I really need to edit better.

However, Three Mile Island DID convince me that nuclear had a very precarious future in this country. My college had EIGHT people in my class with a nuclear engineering major. Even then I was skeptical there’d be any jobs by the time I graduated.

 

[spr1975wshs]

Living east of 3 Mile Island we went up to the Poconos and had a kegger! I have no regrets of the debacle!

After the incident at the nuke plant, a favorite bumper sticker in western Massachusetts: More people died in Ted Kennedy's car than at 3 Mile Island.

 

[Hijinx]

Joe Bide destroyed the economy of our country with his stupid idea to force us into electric cars.
When he destroyed our Energy independence he drove up the cost of everything and he forced the price increases in other countries and then he blew up Russia's pipeline. The cheated election that put this crook in the white house was a major catastrophe for the world.



And now it is killing banks.