Explosion in Beruit

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Ammonium Nitrate is an oxidizer, it still needs a fuel (diesel/fuel oil/kerosene) to be an explosive. It's not impossible to make it explode without oil, it means that it has to be in an area with a lot of organics.
Not necessarily.. a fire in an enclosed space, ammonium nitrate probably stacked close together, or even on top of each provides it's own tamping or compression.. wouldn't take much of a fire for a catastrophic event without any other ingredients. I'm surprised the fire went on as long as it did before exploding.

They said it was stored there after being removed from a ship (illegal shipment) so I'm wondering if Ammonium Nitrate decays over time and becomes less stable.. or even releases gasses that would make it even more combustible.
 

Chris0nllyn

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Not necessarily.. a fire in an enclosed space, ammonium nitrate probably stacked close together, or even on top of each provides it's own tamping or compression.. wouldn't take much of a fire for a catastrophic event without any other ingredients. I'm surprised the fire went on as long as it did before exploding.

They said it was stored there after being removed from a ship (illegal shipment) so I'm wondering if Ammonium Nitrate decays over time and becomes less stable.. or even releases gasses that would make it even more combustible.

Here's how it was "stored".

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It also wasn't an illegal shipment that I've heard of. It was on a ship that went to port and was abandoned.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
Not necessarily.. a fire in an enclosed space, ammonium nitrate probably stacked close together, or even on top of each provides it's own tamping or compression.. wouldn't take much of a fire for a catastrophic event without any other ingredients. I'm surprised the fire went on as long as it did before exploding.

They said it was stored there after being removed from a ship (illegal shipment) so I'm wondering if Ammonium Nitrate decays over time and becomes less stable.. or even releases gasses that would make it even more combustible.
It still needs a fuel. It's like trying to light oxygen with just heat, without fuel you only have 2 sides of the fire triangle
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
...so I'm wondering if Ammonium Nitrate decays over time and becomes less stable.. or even releases gasses that would make it even more combustible.
It can absorb water over time, and the bonds do break down. It can absorb enough water to become liquid itself, but the process uses more energy than it gives up (endothermic). Interesting tho, if you heat a water/ammonium nitrate mix, it releases laughing gas.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
It still needs a fuel. It's like trying to light oxygen with just heat, without fuel you only have 2 sides of the fire triangle
Nitrate, in Ammonium Nitrate IS the oxidizer.. just a small flame in an enclosed area, will do the rest.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
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Nitrate, in Ammonium Nitrate IS the oxidizer.. just a small flame in an enclosed area, will do the rest.
That's what I've been saying, Ammonium Nitrate is the oxidizer, it needs an organic compound as the fuel (dust, oil, hydrocarbon vapors).
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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Blame for Beirut Explosion Begins With a Leaky, Troubled Ship

CAIRO — The countdown to catastrophe in Beirut started more than six years ago when a troubled, Russian-leased cargo ship made an unscheduled stop at the city’s port.

The ship was trailed by debts, crewed by disgruntled sailors and dogged by a small hole in its hull that meant water had to be constantly pumped out. And it carried a volatile cargo, more than 2,000 tons of ammonium nitrate, a combustible material used to make fertilizers — and bombs — that was destined for Mozambique.

The ship, the Rhosus, never made it. Embroiled in a financial and diplomatic dispute, it was abandoned by the Russian businessman who had leased it. And the ammonium nitrate was transferred to a dockside warehouse in Beirut, where it would languish for years, until Tuesday, when Lebanese officials said it exploded, sending a shock wave that killed more than 130 people and wounded another 5,000.

The story of the ship and its deadly cargo, which emerged on Wednesday in accounts from Lebanon, Russia and Ukraine, offered a bleak tale about how legal battles, financial wrangling and, apparently, chronic negligence, set the stage for a horrific accident that devastated one of the Middle East’s most fondly regarded cities.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

That's what I've been saying, Ammonium Nitrate is the oxidizer, it needs an organic compound as the fuel (dust, oil, hydrocarbon vapors).
True. However? Decomposition creates toxic gases containing ammonia and nitrogen oxides. The resulting nitrogen oxides will support combustion, even in the absence of other oxygen. The resulting heat and pressure from the decomposition of ammonium nitrate may build up if the reaction takes place in a confined space and the heat and gases created are not able to dissipate. As the temperature rises, the rate of decomposition increases. In a confined space, the pressure can reach dangerous levels and cause an explosion that will include the detonation of the ammonium nitrate. When dealing with a large quantity of ammonium nitrate, localized areas of high temperature may be sufficiently confined by the mass of material to initiate an explosion.

So? This 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate had been sitting, packed, and stacked, in a warehouse for 7 years while being exposed to local heat, (weather), and decomposing. It was really only a matter of time before it blew. Could have even gone off long before 2020, even with out a welder's spark in another area. Or whatever the official reason for the initial fire.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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On the morning of April 16, the French-owned Grandcamp was preparing to finish loading a consignment of ammonium nitrate fertilizer at the port of Texas City, near Galveston. About 8:00 AM crew members noticed smoke in the cargo area, where 2,300 tons of the fertilizer had already been stowed. In order to keep the cargo intact, the crew decided not to use water to extinguish the fire; they instead tried, unsuccessfully, to snuff out the flames. Shortly after 9:00 AM the temperature inside the cargo area had risen enough to spark a massive explosion that was heard as far as 150 miles (240 km) away. The resulting fire destroyed the dock area and engulfed the nearby Monsanto Chemical Company plant. A mushroom cloud rose 2,000 feet (600 metres) into the air, and two small planes passing above were destroyed. Burning shrapnel was sent flying, with much of it landing in industrial areas, setting fires or causing other damage. A nearby ship, the SS High Flyer, which was carrying huge amounts of sulfur, also caught fire and exploded, and crude oil tankers near the site burned for days, consuming massive amounts of petroleum. The enormous wave triggered by the blast flattened numerous buildings, leaving as many as 2,000 people homeless. The fact that the initial explosion had killed many of the town’s fire crew and ruined its firefighting equipment exacerbated the devastation.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Texas-City-explosion-of-1947
 

Bonehead

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A discussion of the Texas City incident has been standard fare in fire fighting instruction for years. Also included is the Kingman Arizona bleve (boiling liquid expanding vapor) explosion that wiped out numerous fire fighting engines and their crews.
 

Gilligan

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Saw a UK report that the initial fire(s) were started by a welder who was tasked with patching some kind of hole that thieves were using to obtain entry to one of the warehouse buildings.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Saw a UK report that the initial fire(s) were started by a welder who was tasked with patching some kind of hole that thieves were using to obtain entry to one of the warehouse buildings.
Welp... don't have to worry about the thievery anymore. All fixed.
 
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