Fact or Fable ?

[Tonio]

Those people cause me to feel two emotions: anger at them because, having been exposed to the Word they still choose to deny it, and pity for them because as a fellow human, I hate to see people doomed.

Against my better judgment, I'm going to ask... I understand the pity, but I don't understand the anger. What is the source of that anger?

 

[sweetpea]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to ask... I understand the pity, but I don't understand the anger. What is the source of that anger?

Good question. I was kinda wondering that myself. It doesn't sound very christian like.

 

[Honey]

After a little thought, I've decided that yes I am indeed close-minded when it comes to Christian issues. I don't have to scrutinize the Bible and know all the answers to accept that it is 100% true, cover to cover. And arguing about it (yes, arguments and debates are the same, and both can be had without anger - ask any lawyer or judge) doesn't change the facts. I choose to believe the Truth and to view those who don't as stubborn in their denial of Christ. Those people cause me to feel two emotions: anger at them because, having been exposed to the Word they still choose to deny it, and pity for them because as a fellow human, I hate to see people doomed.

So yup, I'm a close-minded bigot, praying for all who haven't repented of their sins and asked for Jesus' forgiveness.

I'm not a big proponent of organized religion, and I myself don't dress up and go to Church on Sunday. There are several reasons for that, the most practical of them being that it's difficult to get Mrs. RR ready to go anyplace at any time, especially early on Sunday morning.

Just as (apparently) there's nothing I can say to change your mind, I can assure you there's nothing you can say to change mine. If you want to cook up reasoning against being a Christian or believing the Bible (the two DO go hand-in-hand), you can expect me or 2A to disagree with you. But be fair; treat the topic seriously and with more respect than you might think it deserves.

I wasn't aware this was a christian like attitude. You are just assuming that your interpretation of the bible is correct. Has the thought ever occured to you that maybe other ppl might learn something from these discussions? And how do you know if someone has asked forgiveness or not?

 

[2ndAmendment]

It is strange how people come out of the blue with similar writing styles to others posing the exact same questions/objections. MPDs trying to bolster their own position? Probably, but :shrug:. Capitalization or lack thereof indicate either laziness or a disrespect for God and the Bible. I don't think either laziness or lack of respect is something a believer should have, but this is just my opinion. A non-believer chastising a believer for their faith is meaningless.

 

[Railroad]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to ask... I understand the pity, but I don't understand the anger. What is the source of that anger?

Against my better judgment, I'm going to answer. Go back to the post. Read after the word "anger." The next word is "because," and it leads you to the next few words, which give you the answer you seek.

 

[Railroad]

I wasn't aware this was a christian like attitude. You are just assuming that your interpretation of the bible is correct.

I don't interpret the Bible.

Has the thought ever occured to you that maybe other ppl might learn something from these discussions?

I sure HOPE so - I'm not doing this for fun!!!

And how do you know if someone has asked forgiveness or not?

I don't! So I pray for 'em in general - God knows who they are, and that's all that matters.

By the way, welcome aboard! (I assume newbies are newbies vs. MPDs until it's proven otherwise).

 

[Tonio]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to answer. Go back to the post. Read after the word "anger." The next word is "because," and it leads you to the next few words, which give you the answer you seek.

I guess I don't understand why you seem to have such an emotional investment in getting others to change their beliefs. I don't mean that to sound condescending. I admit I have an issue with hardcore evangelism of any sort, religious or secular. I perceive it as people saying I have to change to what they want me to be. I don't think you and I will ever agree on the nature of religious faith, since I see it as a personal thing.

 

[Railroad]

I guess I don't understand why you seem to have such an emotional investment in getting others to change their beliefs. I don't mean that to sound condescending. I admit I have an issue with hardcore evangelism of any sort, religious or secular. I perceive it as people saying I have to change to what they want me to be. I don't think you and I will ever agree on the nature of religious faith, since I see it as a personal thing.

Good post, Tonio (I mean that).

The "emotional investment" is hard to explain. I'd like to think it's because I care about others:

Heb 10:26-31
For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?30 For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

I also have a problem with "hardcore" evangelism, my interpretation being "in your face" evangelism. That's one reason I don't thump the Bible or beat people over the head with it.

I agree, we probably won't agree on issues of Faith. I, too, see it as a personal thing and I don't for a minute think that I alone could ever change your mind.

 

[Honey]

I don't interpret the Bible.

I thought the reason why there were different religions is because of different interpretations.

I sure HOPE so - I'm not doing this for fun!!!

I have learned quit a bit by reading these discussions before and after I have registered. I'm ashamed to say I am not as familiar as I should be.

I don't! So I pray for 'em in general - God knows who they are, and that's all that matters.

By the way, welcome aboard! (I assume newbies are newbies vs. MPDs until it's proven otherwise).

Thank you, though I am not exactly sure what an MPD is.

 

[Railroad]

I thought the reason why there were different religions is because of different interpretations. I have learned quit a bit by reading these discussions before and after I have registered. I'm ashamed to say I am not as familiar as I should be.Thank you, though I am not exactly sure what an MPD is.

Yup - interpretations get people in trouble.

An MPD is like a fake personality/identity that people in these forums get for themselves. I don't have one, but lots of others so. You'll learn about it after a while.

 

[Honey]

Yup - interpretations get people in trouble.

How is someone supposed to know which one is the right one?

I went to a church w/ a friend of mine when I was in High School. When winter hit I wore a pair of nice dress slacks w/ a nice blouse and my friend told me that I was supposed to wear a dress or a skirt. Well of course I had to ask why. She really couldn't tell me so she went and got her mother to explain. The explanation was that in the Bible states, "Men should look like men and women should look like women". I later asked my father what that was about and he told me it is how it was interpreted. That what they are talking about refers to the tranvestites and ppl who try to look like the opposite sex. Later in life I met a woman at work who only wears dresses and skirts for the same reason but she also does not wear jewerly because it is ornamentation. This same woman I have heard on the phone ordering these fancy smancy hats for church. Of course she got upset w/ me when I questioned whether or not that was ornamentation. :shrug:

 

[2ndAmendment]

How is someone supposed to know which one is the right one?

I went to a church w/ a friend of mine when I was in High School. When winter hit I wore a pair of nice dress slacks w/ a nice blouse and my friend told me that I was supposed to wear a dress or a skirt. Well of course I had to ask why. She really couldn't tell me so she went and got her mother to explain. The explanation was that in the Bible states, "Men should look like men and women should look like women". I later asked my father what that was about and he told me it is how it was interpreted. That what they are talking about refers to the tranvestites and ppl who try to look like the opposite sex. Later in life I met a woman at work who only wears dresses and skirts for the same reason but she also does not wear jewerly because it is ornamentation. This same woman I have heard on the phone ordering these fancy smancy hats for church. Of course she got upset w/ me when I questioned whether or not that was ornamentation. :shrug:

Yeah. And some churches say you have to handle poisonous snakes or must speak in tongues none of which is true to that extent. You may handle poisonous snakes or can speak in tongues. See the difference.

Outward appearance is not what determines your relationship to God. The spiritual condition of your heart determines your relationship to God. Do you have Jesus as Savior and Lord. Do you live your life avoiding sin because you love Jesus and want to please Him with your life? Do you proclaim that Jesus is your Savior and Lord? Do you love others as Jesus loves His own? Beyond these things everything else is vanity or legality.

 

[slotted]

Your missing the point. There were witnesses at the resurrection of Christ and it was documented by witnesses, so therefore it's factual.

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

 

[2ndAmendment]

Rather than waste my time on slotted, I have placed it on my ignore list. Carry on.

 

[slotted]

The blind eye of religion, gotta love it.

 

[gumbo]

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

Thats very interesting.

 

[slotted]

Thats very interesting.

The most interesting part is where you get down to the Characters section.

 

[gumbo]

The most interesting part is where you get down to the Characters section.

Thats the part I find interesting.

 

[slotted]

Thats the part I find interesting.

Stay tuned then. I'm about to point you to a whole lot more. I know there is a post about bible contradictions around here somewhere.

 

[slotted]

http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm

I've received a lot of negative to neutral Karma on this link. Anyone care to discuss the link?