nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
Not according to my calculations.
Although I do believe my "sleeper" pick (Vickers) finished higher than anyone else's.
Not according to my calculations.
Although I do believe my "sleeper" pick (Vickers) finished higher than anyone else's.
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
This weekend's quotes:
Flipper: "NASCAR puts us in this box [restrictor-plate racing] and will race this way until they kill somebody. Then they'll change it. We're very lucky nobody got [seriously] hurt today."
2004 Daytona 500 Champion Dale Earnhardt, Jr.: "There's a responsibility of the media and the sanctioning body to come to their senses. They've celebrated the big wreck to bring attention to this stuff. This didn't just start happening today. It's been like this for a long time." Where do you draw the line? When does it become too exciting to be safe?
2008 Daytona 500 Champion Ryan Newman: "Talladega is short for 'We're gonna crash, we just don't know when.'"
3-time Sprint Cup Series Champion, 2006 Daytona 500 Champion, Jimmie Johnson: "Man, it sucks racing here."
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Tony Stewart had this to say after the 2006 Budweiser Shootout at Daytona, prompting NASCAR to issue a direct warning about slamdrafting:
"Yeah, we're going to kill somebody. Somebody else is doing to die at Daytona or Talladega with what we're doing right here. I hope I'm not around when it happens."
Flipper: "NASCAR puts us in this box [restrictor-plate racing] and will race this way until they kill somebody. Then they'll change it. We're very lucky nobody got [seriously] hurt today."
2004 Daytona 500 Champion Dale Earnhardt, Jr.: "There's a responsibility of the media and the sanctioning body to come to their senses. They've celebrated the big wreck to bring attention to this stuff. This didn't just start happening today. It's been like this for a long time." Where do you draw the line? When does it become too exciting to be safe?
2008 Daytona 500 Champion Ryan Newman: "Talladega is short for 'We're gonna crash, we just don't know when.'"
3-time Sprint Cup Series Champion, 2006 Daytona 500 Champion, Jimmie Johnson: "Man, it sucks racing here."
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Tony Stewart had this to say after the 2006 Budweiser Shootout at Daytona, prompting NASCAR to issue a direct warning about slamdrafting:
"Yeah, we're going to kill somebody. Somebody else is doing to die at Daytona or Talladega with what we're doing right here. I hope I'm not around when it happens."
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
I would like to remind you that a car flying in to the fence at Talladega is the reason NASCAR put the restrictor plates on the cars.
NASCAR used a smaller fuel cell at the plate races beginning in the October race at Talladega in 2001. Everyone whined about how it was boring because the entire race ran caution free (even though Bobby Labonte ended up on his roof).
Bottom line is a lot of "fans" still watch racing for the wrecks and love to see the big one, and NASCAR loves the TV ratings it brings.
Earnhardt wasn't the last serious accident we've had at one of these tracks. Patrick Sheltra and Larry Hollenbeck had a horrifying crash in the ARCA Daytona 200 earlier this year. That wreck put my stomach straight in my mouth watching it.
There was a similar (to the Edwards flip) crash in the 2005 ARCA Daytona 200 when Clair Zimmerman's car went up and slammed dead-on in to the fence. That same race, they had to transport several drivers to the hospital after a scary, frightening, serious crash with 2 to go involving Todd Kleuver, Billy Venturinni (which ended his racing career as a driver), Joey Miller and several others. Three cars were frantically flipping 10-15 feet in the air in that crash and several others hit the wall head-on.
But, they lived and millions of people tuned in so there's no problem, right?
nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
I would like to remind you that a car flying in to the fence at Talladega is the reason NASCAR put the restrictor plates on the cars.
NASCAR used a smaller fuel cell at the plate races beginning in the October race at Talladega in 2001. Everyone whined about how it was boring because the entire race ran caution free (even though Bobby Labonte ended up on his roof).
Bottom line is a lot of "fans" still watch racing for the wrecks and love to see the big one, and NASCAR loves the TV ratings it brings.
Earnhardt wasn't the last serious accident we've had at one of these tracks. Patrick Sheltra and Larry Hollenbeck had a horrifying crash in the ARCA Daytona 200 earlier this year. That wreck put my stomach straight in my mouth watching it.
There was a similar (to the Edwards flip) crash in the 2005 ARCA Daytona 200 when Clair Zimmerman's car went up and slammed dead-on in to the fence. That same race, they had to transport several drivers to the hospital after a scary, frightening, serious crash with 2 to go involving Todd Kleuver, Billy Venturinni (which ended his racing career as a driver), Joey Miller and several others. Three cars were frantically flipping 10-15 feet in the air in that crash and several others hit the wall head-on.
But, they lived and millions of people tuned in so there's no problem, right?
Drivers assume those risks when they climb into the race car. Fans assume those risks when they go to the tracks. Christ, we lost 2 drivers at Loudoun within a 2 month period.
I could see taking away the first 10 or so rows of seating and starting the seats higher up, but doing away with the track?
When you see people like Rick Hendrick, Mark Martin, etc. boycotting the tracks, then you MIGHT get a reaction from NASCAR.
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
NASCAR's brilliant idea in Loudon was to use the restrictor plates. And may I remind you that it ended up being a ####in' terrible race ... ALMOST as sucky as last year's Allstate Suckfest 400 at The Brickyard presented by Goodyear.
OldHillcrestGuy
Well-Known Member
Not according to my calculations.
Although I do believe my "sleeper" pick (Vickers) finished higher than anyone else's.
Strange weekend, the only people who did get 10 points were the ones who picked Earnhardt all the other drivers that were chosen didnot make the top 5.
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
They need to rename it the "Heart Attack 500 at Talladega"
nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
And if we all keep picking the same dayum drivers every week, our race to the chase will be just as same ole-same old and boring as Andy's posts. OldHillcrestGuy
Well-Known Member
clevalley
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Restrictor plates were first brought in to NASCAR in the 70's to reduce the 427's output to equalize the field with the smaller 358ci engines... (had to look this up to make sure I was right.
)After Bobby Allison was killed (big flip into Talladega's fence) is when restrictor plates were put in for Daytona and Talladega only... Bobby Allison would still be alive IF his tire did not blow when it did. But, restrictor plates were enforced only to cut down on the speed after this and this is when the drivers started to biatch about being bunched up and now a new safety issue arises.
This to me is more dangerous then the cars being able to call balls-out.
The third change to the restrictor plate rules came in 2000 when Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin Jr. died in crashes, but it was because of supposedly stuck throttle issues (didn't know this) - you can read more about it... Restrictor plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Beaver-Cleaver
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nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
Restrictor plates were first brought in to NASCAR in the 70's to reduce the 427's output to equalize the field with the smaller 358ci engines... (had to look this up to make sure I was right.
After Bobby Allison was killed (big flip into Talladega's fence) is when restrictor plates were put in for Daytona and Talladega only... Bobby Allison would still be alive IF his tire did not blow when it did. But, restrictor plates were enforced only to cut down on the speed after this and this is when the drivers started to biatch about being bunched up and now a new safety issue arises.
This to me is more dangerous then the cars being able to call balls-out.
The third change to the restrictor plate rules came in 2000 when Adam Petty and Kenny Irwin Jr. died in crashes, but it was because of supposedly stuck throttle issues (didn't know this) - you can read more about it... Restrictor plate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bobby Allison is still alive isn't he?
I know both of his son's died; Clifford died at Michigan (I think) and Davey died in a helicopter crash at 'Dega.
clevalley
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Bobby Allison is still alive isn't he?
Yeah, I was thinking Davey Allison as I was typing it - who is dead, not Bobby... 
Let me re-phrase; He would not have wiped out like he did, if the tire did not blow...
nachomama
All Up In Your Grill
Let me re-phrase; He would not have wiped out like he did, if the tire did not blow...
Yeah, but Davey died in a copter crash, not a race car. Clifford died in a car wreck not even a year before Davey's death.
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
Bobby Allison is still alive isn't he?
Yes, Bobby Allison's still alive which is why I sent the link to CLeValley.
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Beaver-Cleaver
Guest
Pete
Repete
I think it should be applauded that I let this one go.
clevalley
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Yep, I gots confuseded...
Funny thing, I pulled up wiki (which I linked) and had to look up the 427/358 thing and read the issue of Adam Petty/stuck throttle and Bobby Allison's wreck was in the middle and I glossed right over it.
I get the genius award for the day.'87 was a bad year for me - that is my story and I am sticking to it.