FDA bans JUUL ecigs

[GURPS]

The FDA's War on Juul Will Kill People​

I have followed the issue for several years and there is no doubt in my mind that Juul is an effective way to transition away from smoking into alternative, safer sources of nicotine. Vaping doesn't end nicotine consumption, but it's still a real step toward a world without cigarettes. In fact, it is now proven that e-cigarettes are more effective than traditional, FDA-approved nicotine-replacement therapies at getting smokers to quit entirely.

In its 125,000-page application to the FDA, Juul reminded the agency of more than 110 studies showing the benefits of e-cigarettes over traditional nicotine consumption. The company has also been a good team player, jumping through all the hoops thrown at it by the anti-vaping brigades. As the Reason Foundation's Guy Bentley reminds us in the New York Daily News, "Juul complied with nearly every request made by critics including pulling its original marketing campaigns in 2016, voluntarily removing all of its non-tobacco and menthol flavors from the market in 2019, and supporting an increase in the tobacco age from 18 to 21."

And yet the FDA has ordered all Juul e-cigarette products off the market even though its own decision features this remarkable admission: "To date, the FDA has not received clinical information to suggest an immediate hazard associated with the use of the JUUL device or JUULpods." In other words, neither Juul's effectiveness in turning smokers away from more dangerous products nor its success at getting some smokers to quit altogether is, for the FDA, sufficient evidence of the product's benefit to public health.

Don't hold your breath waiting for good arguments coming from the FDA. The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Michelle Minton writes that "the FDA's rationale that Juul products lacked sufficient toxicological evidence is confusing, given that the agency has previously approved IQOS heated tobacco products and lower-nicotine content combustible cigarettes, 'both of which obviously have worse [toxicological] profiles than a Juul.'" She adds that "the FDA has granted marketing approval for other e-cigarette brands" despite these products being no safer.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I work with a lot of people that vape instead of smoke. It is much better than working with someone who smells like an ashtray constantly. We do make fun of them by saying they are sucking a PENIS (portable electronic nicotine inhalation system)

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

The FDA's War on Juul Will Kill People​

I have followed the issue for several years and there is no doubt in my mind that Juul is an effective way to transition away from smoking into alternative, safer sources of nicotine. Vaping doesn't end nicotine consumption, but it's still a real step toward a world without cigarettes. In fact, it is now proven that e-cigarettes are more effective than traditional, FDA-approved nicotine-replacement therapies at getting smokers to quit entirely.

In its 125,000-page application to the FDA, Juul reminded the agency of more than 110 studies showing the benefits of e-cigarettes over traditional nicotine consumption. The company has also been a good team player, jumping through all the hoops thrown at it by the anti-vaping brigades. As the Reason Foundation's Guy Bentley reminds us in the New York Daily News, "Juul complied with nearly every request made by critics including pulling its original marketing campaigns in 2016, voluntarily removing all of its non-tobacco and menthol flavors from the market in 2019, and supporting an increase in the tobacco age from 18 to 21."

And yet the FDA has ordered all Juul e-cigarette products off the market even though its own decision features this remarkable admission: "To date, the FDA has not received clinical information to suggest an immediate hazard associated with the use of the JUUL device or JUULpods." In other words, neither Juul's effectiveness in turning smokers away from more dangerous products nor its success at getting some smokers to quit altogether is, for the FDA, sufficient evidence of the product's benefit to public health.

Don't hold your breath waiting for good arguments coming from the FDA. The Competitive Enterprise Institute's Michelle Minton writes that "the FDA's rationale that Juul products lacked sufficient toxicological evidence is confusing, given that the agency has previously approved IQOS heated tobacco products and lower-nicotine content combustible cigarettes, 'both of which obviously have worse [toxicological] profiles than a Juul.'" She adds that "the FDA has granted marketing approval for other e-cigarette brands" despite these products being no safer.

Who profits from this decision? Cigarette companies? Competing like product manufacturers? Way too much background information not being reported. Funny. I wonder if tobacco companies have had to provide the same information to the FDA that is being asked of JUUL? Seeing as that it has been proven that smoking tobacco is hazardous, can kill and cause cancers. Inquiring minds and all that.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

For your consideration ...


Who profits from this decision? Cigarette companies? Competing like product manufacturers? Way too much background information not being reported. Funny. I wonder if tobacco companies have had to provide the same information to the FDA that is being asked of JUUL? Seeing as that it has been proven that smoking tobacco is hazardous, can kill and cause cancers. Inquiring minds and all that.

Several years ago Phillip Morris bought a large part of JUUL

 

[vraiblonde]

I work with a lot of people that vape instead of smoke. It is much better than working with someone who smells like an ashtray constantly. We do make fun of them by saying they are sucking a PENIS (portable electronic nicotine inhalation system)

And the women look at you like....

Guys always do that - say things like "suck my dick" as a belittlement.....then they expect women to willingly and enthusiastically do just that. Whenever I see a guy talk like that I harshly judge any women who dates him.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Ya know, for some reason, for myself, cigarette smoke smells different now, worse, than what it used to. It kinda used to be pleasurable to get a whiff of cigarette smoke, somewhat like when one would pick up a sniff from passing cigar smoke, that sweetness smell. Now, very noxious. Maybe it's just my nose?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

And the women look at you like....

Guys always do that - say things like "suck my dick" as a belittlement.....then they expect women to willingly and enthusiastically do just that. Whenever I see a guy talk like that I harshly judge any women who dates him.

That's what they get for wasting 10 minutes of my time every hour. I first heard the PENIS thing from a puffer btw.

 

[vraiblonde]

My final word on this is:

People who run around bitching and whining because they have to share their world with other humans are super annoying. They're just little crybabies, and then they have to make up a bunch of crap to bolster their manufactured huffiness - "Oh, everyone runs up to me and vapes RIGHT IN MY FACE!!! Just like, RIGHT in my face! Right in my FACE!!! ALL THE TIME!! It's TRAGIC!"

"Oh, there's an odor! And I simply CAN'T have odors I don't like in my world! "



It would behoove them to just admit they don't like it because it looks like smoking, which they've been conditioned to bitch and cry about rather than simply avoid. I have a whole psychological profile of these people and what makes them that way, and maybe some day I'll share it - but probably not. Just know, little bitchers, that when I see you acting out I'm thinking about what your life must be like to make you that way...and it's not a pretty picture.

 

[black dog]

My final word on this is:

People who run around bitching and whining because they have to share their world with other humans are super annoying. They're just little crybabies, and then they have to make up a bunch of crap to bolster their manufactured huffiness - "Oh, everyone runs up to me and vapes RIGHT IN MY FACE!!! Just like, RIGHT in my face! Right in my FACE!!! ALL THE TIME!! It's TRAGIC!"

"Oh, there's an odor! And I simply CAN'T have odors I don't like in my world! "



It would behoove them to just admit they don't like it because it looks like smoking, which they've been conditioned to bitch and cry about rather than simply avoid. I have a whole psychological profile of these people and what makes them that way, and maybe some day I'll share it - but probably not. Just know, little bitchers, that when I see you acting out I'm thinking about what your life must be like to make you that way...and it's not a pretty picture.

I seriously doubt its your final word.
You're getting more like a ****ing Karen each month...

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I've said on here many times I hate when I get stuck having smokers working for me because of the time they waste at work. No other vice would be accepted as such a time waste while on the clock. Do the same with people and their phones, if they are on it too much they are told to leave it in their car.

 

[vraiblonde]

I seriously doubt its your final word.
You're getting more like a ****ing Karen each month...

You people bitch and cry wanting everything you don't like banned.....and *I'm* the Karen.

Okay.

 

[Ken King]

No other vice would be accepted as such a time waste while on the clock.

Used to be they could smoke where they worked, then the were forced to specific areas within the building, and then forced outdoors. Non-smokers/radical ones caused this waste of time. Shall we look at coffee drinkers under the same light? And how about the vending machine hogs?

 

[vraiblonde]

Used to be they could smoke where they worked, then the were forced to specific areas within the building, and then forced outdoors. Non-smokers/radical ones caused this waste of time. Shall we look at coffee drinkers under the same light? And how about the vending machine hogs?

Also mention "People who wait to get to work to take a crap for 20 minutes."

I'd say it myself but I already declared my last word on the subject.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Used to be they could smoke where they worked, then the were forced to specific areas within the building, and then forced outdoors. Non-smokers/radical ones caused this waste of time. Shall we look at coffee drinkers under the same light? And how about the vending machine hogs?

Don't know any of them that do it every hour? I wasn't a ATR geek, I work around aircraft there was never any smoking near JP-5.
Smoke also ruins electronic equipment, did ATR let people smoke in the rooms with millions of dollars of electronic equipment?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Also mention "People who wait to get to work to take a crap for 20 minutes."

I'd say it myself but I already declared my last word on the subject.

FYI the people that spend their lunch break working out and then spend 30 minutes while on the clock showering was also a problem. I don't discriminate to smokers, for some reason they think their issue is special (sound familiar?) People get paid well to work, they can do that stuff on their own time.

 

[Ken King]

Don't know any of them that do it every hour? I wasn't a ATR geek, I work around aircraft there was never any smoking near JP-5.
Smoke also ruins electronic equipment, did ATR let people smoke in the rooms with millions of dollars of electronic equipment?

Well, duh. Everyone knows no smoking 8 hours before flying and no drinking within 50 feet of an aircraft.

Yep, used to. And then it went to two or three indoor locations, then outside, and then further outside to a gazebo.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Well, duh. Everyone knows no smoking 8 hours before flying and no drinking within 50 feet of an aircraft.

Yep, used to. And then it went to two or three indoor locations, then outside, and then further outside to a gazebo.

Ugh, I yell at people for winding up cables too tightly, no way would I have allowed a nicotine film to be deposited on the touch screen of a room full of $60k receivers.

 

[Ken King]

Ugh, I yell at people for winding up cables too tightly, no way would I have allowed a nicotine film to be deposited on the touch screen of a room full of $60k receivers.

Don't remember any touch screens back then. But I have been gone over 15 years so they might have them now.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Don't remember any touch screens back then. But I have been gone over 15 years so they might have them now.

Yep SEMCO are touch screen, personally I hate touch screens and membrane switches on equipment that has to be reliable that also gets a lot of button mashers using it.

 

[black dog]

You people bitch and cry wanting everything you don't like banned.....and *I'm* the Karen.

Okay.

Yea, because im the 'Banned person' here.

I didnt think you could stop yourself.