forced acceptance of homosexuality.

[bcp]

If they're a private organization, yes, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Walk into the women's shower room of your local gym and see if they feel separate but equal is a bad option

"But, I was just freaking hot and wanna shower!"

Do in in montgomery county and you are free to do so.
just say you are gender confused.

 

[Merlin99]

...we accept a right to license business then that means rules and regulations. These doctors asked to be licensed to provide artificial insemination.

As part of the deal, one of the rules is that you can not discriminate based on whatever factors; race, religion, sexual orientation. They did not apply for a license based on the ability to be able to pick and choose who their clients are based on race and/or religion and/or sexual orientation.

This woman is not demanding that a pizza shop sell her car parts. She is not demanding that they marry her. She is not demanding that they like her, send her Christmas cards or be the Godfathers of her child. She is demanding that a sub shop sell subs, that a car parts store sell car parts, that an artificial insemination store sell artificial insemination.

What is the purpose of this license? Is it to provide oversight of how they perform their services? How does the state deciding who their customer base will be affect how well they perform their service?

 

[This_person]

...and advocate for the Devil is not grounds for dismissing a perfectly rational argument. How in the flying hell does inseminating some woman violate ones faith? This docs can provide this woman with a child. That's against their faith?

Because they said so. That's all it has to be to be against their faith.

 

[tommyjones]

Although I am not a supporter of homosexual rights, I did not say in this thread that the woman should not have gone elsewhere, to the contrary, I think that she should have taken the referral, and moved on.

blacks and jews should not be turned away simply because they are black or jew. A buddist should be turned away from a Christian establishment such as mentioned in the article. The Christian doctor is practicing his Christian responsibility to ensure the child will be brought up properly according to his beliefs. Not a wrong thing for him to do.

however, the buddist should not be turned away from establishments that do not involve religious reasons behind their motivation for business practice.

Blacks a jews are protected in the constitution, even if they are gay.
Buddists are protected in the constitution under the freedom of religion rights.
homosexuals do not find specific wording in the constitution to cover them against discrimination in cases like this.

the doctor had a right to turn her away in this instance.

how were blacks protected by the constitution if they were slaves when it was written? seems if you are going to apply the "all men created equal" to them you should apply it to gays as well

 

[This_person]

I finally realized where your mistake is.

The limitations listed in the Constitution are not on the Citizens it is on Government. It limits what the Government can do.

In the spirit of the Constitution the Government can NOT deny anything unless it has a Basis. The Government is not allowed to Discriminate.

(1) There is no allowance in the Constitution that would allow the Government to ban Homo Marriage. As such any Ban is illegal because there is no basis in the Constitution that would allow it. The Constitution lists the activities of the federal government. Marriage is not among them. Therefore, per the tenth amendment, marriage is in the realm of the states and/or the people themselves.

(2) The Government isnt interfering with Religion, the Government is taking someone to task for discrimination. Should a Muslim owned business be allowed to discriminate against Jews? Yes Should a Baptist owned buisness be allowed to discriminate against Catholics? Yes

(3) Your repeating your Number 2, its still invalid based on the response to your Number 2

...

 

[Merlin99]

...you're OK with a restaurant refusing you service because you're a male? Or white? Or born wherever it is you were born? Or you have the wrong color hair? Or bad teeth? Or need a shower? Or like the Cowboys?

yes, 100% on the first 5 points and 200% on the last 2.

 

[bcp]

how were blacks protected by the constitution if they were slaves when it was written? seems if you are going to apply the "all men created equal" to them you should apply it to gays as well

blacks were not considered men. they were animals to be used in whatever way best fit the owners needs. they were chattel.

naturally, since they were obviously men, they had to be included.
the gays are also included in the equal clause in the constitution. Equal does not mean you can do whatever you like.
with all rights come responsibilities and conditions.
no man in this country is given more rights than another, every single word in the constitution covers you, the homosexual, the black and me equally.

there is no right to be homosexual.

 

[This_person]

You might find this hard to believe, but I agree with you on this one. While I am a supporter of homosexual rights, I am an even greater supporter of personal rights. In your home or business you should be able to accept only who you want. If you don't like blacks, whites, jews, buddhist, etc... it should be your right to refuse them. The only group who I don't think gets this right is goverment bodies, they're composed of and supported by society as a whole and should service all of society equally. I wasn't going to post this because it kind of sounds like I'm supporting discrimination, I don't think I am, but if you do feel free to flame at will.

 

[tommyjones]

blacks were not considered men. they were animals to be used in whatever way best fit the owners needs. they were chattel.

naturally, since they were obviously men, they had to be included.
the gays are also included in the equal clause in the constitution. Equal does not mean you can do whatever you like.
with all rights come responsibilities and conditions.
no man in this country is given more rights than another, every single word in the constitution covers you, the homosexual, the black and me equally.

there is no right to be homosexual.

if we are all equal, there certainly is....

 

[Larry Gude]

A courthouse...

Welcome to America. We used to be free here.

We refuse service to any number of people just because they're asstards and we don't want to deal with their demands and tantrums. Should they be able to force me to have to put up with them?

You all's argument is dumb and you're just being silly so you can look like you're oh so tolerant and gay-friendly. But this woman was in the wrong and her lawsuit is bull####.

...somewhere in California in the not too distant future;

"All rise"

In walks judge Vrail, mumbling to herself: "I wonder what manner of bull#### I'll get to enjoy in the interest of justice today?"

"Please be seated...####tards "

"What was that, your honor?" asks the court stenographer.

"Nothing, nothing, please proceed. Counselor? What is up the peoples azz today? Get on with it."

Plaintiffs counsel (PC): "Well, you're honor, ma'am, uh, you see, my client was denied services and, well, she seeks restitution...and..."

Da' Judge "Well, what the #### did she do wrong to be denied services, huh?"

PC; "I move to strike, your honor! You can't say that! You're badgering the witness, err, the plaintiff!"

"Keep your shirt on, OK, recorder, strike the f bomb. I'm trying cut back, OK? So, what happened?" as she lights up a smoke and exhales deeply...

"Well, these doctors are denying her the right to a full life as a mother!"

Da Judge "And she's complaining? Let me tell you sis, have that thing sewn up now lest you get drunk one night and things go a bit awry. No'm saying?"

"You're honor! My client seeks redress!"

"Ok, ok. Sit down and shut up. Defense? WTF?"

DC "Well, your honor, you see, my clients don't like no queers. They say Baby Jesus wouldn't inseminate nobody let alone some bull dyke..."

Plaintiff "Hey! #### you, azzhole! That's why I hate men! Prick!"

DJ (dah Judge) "Sit down, you! I hear what you're saying and believe me, I don't blame you, but, this is my court room, biya. Shut up!"

DC "So, anyway, your honor, and may I see you look lovely today. Is that a new riding crop, your honor? Very nice..."

DJ "Won't work, Johnny, your dead, remember? Get on with it..."

DC (Johnny Cochran's ghost) "Yes, well, you do look good, momma! So, those pagans over there want my clients to debase themselves..."


PC "Objection, your honor! My client simply says..."

DJ "Would you sit down and shut the hell up? Jeez. No wonder they refused her. Whinny, crybaby..."

JC "Well, your honor, you see how they are?"

DJ "Well, kids, here's the deal. It's beer thirty. You, you don't even want kids, so, send them a thank you card and get on with you LESBIAN life and be thankful. You guys. Next time, make up some excuse about how lesbians beat you up in school and you were traumatized and are scared you can't do a good job. Courts adjourned. Whose got my ####ing lighter? Dismissed."

 

[Sonsie]

The clinic should just make sure the egg isn't fertilized, go through the motions, and take her money. Sorry Butch, it didn't work. These things happen..... Maybe next time. Come back when you scrape up another $50K allright?

 

[puggymom]

Welcome to America. We used to be free here.

We refuse service to any number of people just because they're asstards and we don't want to deal with their demands and tantrums. Should they be able to force me to have to put up with them?

You all's argument is dumb and you're just being silly so you can look like you're oh so tolerant and gay-friendly. But this woman was in the wrong and her lawsuit is bull####.

Oh I agree that this woman was more than likely just being a jerk and a bully but in general I do not think a person should be able to deny services because of their beliefs.
A person should not have the right to go beyond the responsibilities of their job to impose their morals or beliefs on others.
Like pharmacists for example. Their job is to dispense prescriptions. If the pharmacy has the drug on hand the pharmacist should have to dispense it whether they are Baptist and the drug is Plan B or if they are a Scientologist and the drug is Prozac.
Or a Muslim taxi driver refusing service because the blind client has a dog. If you cannot do your job without your beliefs interfering with it then quit and find something else.

 

[Merlin99]

...somewhere in California in the not too distant future;

"All rise"

In walks judge Vrail, mumbling to herself: "I wonder what manner of bull#### I'll get to enjoy in the interest of justice today?"

"Please be seated...####tards "

"What was that, your honor?" asks the court stenographer.

"Nothing, nothing, please proceed. Counselor? What is up the peoples azz today? Get on with it."

Plaintiffs counsel (PC): "Well, you're honor, ma'am, uh, you see, my client was denied services and, well, she seeks restitution...and..."

Da' Judge "Well, what the #### did she do wrong to be denied services, huh?"

PC; "I move to strike, your honor! You can't say that! You're badgering the witness, err, the plaintiff!"

"Keep your shirt on, OK, recorder, strike the f bomb. I'm trying cut back, OK? So, what happened?" as she lights up a smoke and exhales deeply...

"Well, these doctors are denying her the right to a full life as a mother!"

Da Judge "And she's complaining? Let me tell you sis, have that thing sewn up now lest you get drunk one night and things go a bit awry. No'm saying?"

"You're honor! My client seeks redress!"

"Ok, ok. Sit down and shut up. Defense? WTF?"

DC "Well, your honor, you see, my clients don't like no queers. They say Baby Jesus wouldn't inseminate nobody let alone some bull dyke..."

Plaintiff "Hey! #### you, azzhole! That's why I hate men! Prick!"

DJ (dah Judge) "Sit down, you! I hear what you're saying and believe me, I don't blame you, but, this is my court room, biya. Shut up!"

DC "So, anyway, your honor, and may I see you look lovely today. Is that a new riding crop, your honor? Very nice..."

DJ "Won't work, Johnny, your dead, remember? Get on with it..."

DC (Johnny Cochran's ghost) "Yes, well, you do look good, momma! So, those pagans over there want my clients to debase themselves..."


PC "Objection, your honor! My client simply says..."

DJ "Would you sit down and shut the hell up? Jeez. No wonder they refused her. Whinny, crybaby..."

JC "Well, your honor, you see how they are?"

DJ "Well, kids, here's the deal. It's beer thirty. You, you don't even want kids, so, send them a thank you card and get on with you LESBIAN life and be thankful. You guys. Next time, make up some excuse about how lesbians beat you up in school and you were traumatized and are scared you can't do a good job. Courts adjourned. Whose got my ####ing lighter? Dismissed."

I think I want to be the stenographer in this court room.

 

[Lenny]

Oh I agree that this woman was more than likely just being a jerk and a bully but in general I do not think a person should be able to deny services because of their beliefs.
A person should not have the right to go beyond the responsibilities of their job to impose their morals or beliefs on others.
Like pharmacists for example. Their job is to dispense prescriptions. If the pharmacy has the drug on hand the pharmacist should have to dispense it whether they are Baptist and the drug is Plan B or if they are a Scientologist and the drug is Prozac.
Or a Muslim taxi driver refusing service because the blind client has a dog. If you cannot do your job without your beliefs interfering with it then quit and find something else.

You've just make the argument to require any doctor in town to do elective, birth-control abortions, and participate in state-sponsored executions.

Sorry, sister. You're just wrong!

 

[puggymom]

You've just make the argument to require any doctor in town to do elective, birth-control abortions, and participate in state-sponsored executions.

Sorry, sister. You're just wrong!

How? If you do not like the job you were hired to do quit and get a new job. How is that forcing a pediatrician to perform abortions for example? Or a podiatrist to be involved in state executions?

 

[Xaquin44]

You've just make the argument to require any doctor in town to do elective, birth-control abortions, and participate in state-sponsored executions.

Sorry, sister. You're just wrong!

no, that's not what she said at all.

she said that anyone offering said service should be obliged to actually provide the service.

i.e. I'm set up a lemonade stand to the public. Therefore I am obliged to sell lemonade to the public (not just whites, not just asians, not just lesbians, but to the public). I am not, however, required to sell grape juice, as that doesn't fall under my product catagory.

 

[Vince]

Oh stop. Please. This ##### was just looking for trouble. The doctor gave her a referral, but she wasn't interested in that - she wanted to FORCE the first doctor to inseminate her.

The whole thing is bull#### and she wasn't denied medical care in the least. I'm a firm believer that privately owned businesses should be able to refuse service to whoever they want for whatever reason.

Thank you. Someone sees the light. But the glorious state of California doesn't see it that way. They feel that gay rights are much more important than any religious or business rights and made the law to force them to comply. This is about a state making laws to bascially take away one groups freedoms and give the power to another. IT'S NOT RIGHT. Don't give a crap if they're gay, or whatever. Why are they taking one persons rights away and giving more power to another's?? I thought this was still The United States of America not the United State of California.

 

[Xaquin44]

Thank you. Someone sees the light. But the glorious state of California doesn't see it that way. They feel that gay rights are much more important than any religious or business rights and made the law to force them to comply. This is about a state making laws to bascially take away one groups freedoms and give the power to another. IT"S NOT RIGHT. Don't give a crap if they're gay, or whatever. Why are they taking one persons rights away and giving more power to another's?? I thought this was still The United States of America not the United State of California.

wait, aren't you opposed to gay marriage?

 

[Vince]

wait, aren't you opposed to gay marriage?

I try to tell you that this is not about gay, whatever, it's about rights and freedoms, but you are just too dayum stupid to understand. I won't try any further.

 

[Xaquin44]

I try to tell you that this is not about gay, whatever, it's about rights and freedoms, but you are just too dayum stupid to understand. I won't try any further.

no, I'm just curious. I understand what you're saying. I'm just wondering if, since you're so 'pro' individual rights, you support homosexual marriage.