forced acceptance of homosexuality.

puggymom

Active Member
Ideally one should not be allowed to deny service to anyone. Unfortunately idealism rarely works so I think a fair compromise is that service can only be denied or referred elsewhere IF and ONLY if it is convenient for the client to go elsewhere. And convenience SHOULD be a matter of common sense.
 
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bcp

In My Opinion
talk what?

tolerance? I'm fine with everyone (save complete idiots/#######s).
and of course, anyone that does not practice tolerance to your specific standards, is naturally a complete idiot/#######.

not very tolerant of you if I do say so.

notice, I dont call you an idiot for your opinion, I only disagree with your opinion. I suppose as far as that goes, I am more tolerant than you.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
I think a fair compromise is that service can only be denied or referred elsewhere IF and ONLY if it is convenient for the client to go elsewhere. And convenience SHOULD be a matter of common sense.

Welcome to America. We used to be free here.

We refuse service to any number of people just because they're asstards and we don't want to deal with their demands and tantrums. Should they be able to force me to have to put up with them?

You all's argument is dumb and you're just being silly so you can look like you're oh so tolerant and gay-friendly. But this woman was in the wrong and her lawsuit is bull####.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
And the forcing of acceptance by law begins.
cant wait for the earthquake that sinks the state of California.
You might find this hard to believe, but I agree with you on this one. While I am a supporter of homosexual rights, I am an even greater supporter of personal rights. In your home or business you should be able to accept only who you want. If you don't like blacks, whites, jews, buddhist, etc... it should be your right to refuse them. The only group who I don't think gets this right is goverment bodies, they're composed of and supported by society as a whole and should service all of society equally. I wasn't going to post this because it kind of sounds like I'm supporting discrimination, I don't think I am, but if you do feel free to flame at will.
 

Lenny

Lovin' being Texican
Doctor Lenny has a solution: I made this observation in another thread. If I was the fertility doctor forced to provide this service to these women, I would make sure they had gone through the nausea-inducing pre-medications for the three months prior to the procedure (if this is a IVF). If this was an artificial insemination things are easier. Once the gametes had be collected, selected, separated and prepared, on the day of the special event, I would insist that video documentation be collected of all aspects of the event.

I would insure the recipient was well preped 'down there' (remember, we're capturing this for posterity and possibly YouTube) and well settled into the stirrups (of course, I would have sockettes on the cold stirrups). After carefully scrubbing and drying my hands, I would turn to the nurse holding the turkey baster, ensure it was warmed to body temperature, shake out any air bubbles, etc. As I approach the table, I would make sure to trip over the video cord and drop everything all over the table, her legs and the floor.

Then we could make plans for a repeat next month.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
The problem is, you can't draw that line in the sand like you say.

What you suggest is no different than going back 50 years ago.
Seperate but equal? Or not?

Are you okay with seperate things for black and white folk?
Actually, yes. I'm perfectly fine with the NAACP, BET, Congressional Black Caucus, etc., etc. And, if there were any white organizations like those, I'd be fine with them too. If there were a blacks only, or whites only restaraunt in St. Mary's County, I'd be fine with that. And, I would choose to not go there. That's what freedom is all about.

However, Separate but Equal, 50 years ago, black/white arguments are not the point here, are they? Genetics or choice, we're talking about actions, not skin color. We're not talking about public schools, or public transportation, or public ANYTHING. We're talking about a private institution choosing their customers. There's no comparison.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
...you're OK with a restaurant refusing you service because you're a male? Or white? Or born wherever it is you were born? Or you have the wrong color hair? Or bad teeth? Or need a shower? Or like the Cowboys?

Still feel the same way if it's the only restaurant in your part of town? Or the only one that serves the food you are in the mood for? Or, you're just freaking hungry and wanna eat?
If they're a private organization, yes, I'm perfectly fine with it.

Walk into the women's shower room of your local gym and see if they feel separate but equal is a bad option :lmao:

"But, I was just freaking hot and wanna shower!"
 

bcp

In My Opinion
You might find this hard to believe, but I agree with you on this one. While I am a supporter of homosexual rights, I am an even greater supporter of personal rights. In your home or business you should be able to accept only who you want. If you don't like blacks, whites, jews, buddhist, etc... it should be your right to refuse them. The only group who I don't think gets this right is goverment bodies, they're composed of and supported by society as a whole and should service all of society equally. I wasn't going to post this because it kind of sounds like I'm supporting discrimination, I don't think I am, but if you do feel free to flame at will.
Although I am not a supporter of homosexual rights, I did not say in this thread that the woman should not have gone elsewhere, to the contrary, I think that she should have taken the referral, and moved on.

blacks and jews should not be turned away simply because they are black or jew. A buddist should be turned away from a Christian establishment such as mentioned in the article. The Christian doctor is practicing his Christian responsibility to ensure the child will be brought up properly according to his beliefs. Not a wrong thing for him to do.

however, the buddist should not be turned away from establishments that do not involve religious reasons behind their motivation for business practice.

Blacks a jews are protected in the constitution, even if they are gay.
Buddists are protected in the constitution under the freedom of religion rights.
homosexuals do not find specific wording in the constitution to cover them against discrimination in cases like this.

the doctor had a right to turn her away in this instance.
 
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