Forgiven
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Not too creative eh? Allah is not impressed.
Paul has done what any wise prosecuting attorney would do, he has been eliminating your excuses before we have opportunity to present them. No one has a self-defense plea that will successfully excuse them from being counted worthy of God’s wrath.
ProximaCentauri
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Tell me something... when you walk in the field and see bovine excrement, what do you do? Do you run over to it and yell out "bovine excrement!", or do you just avoid it and ignore it? If this is really a bunch of bovine excrement to you, why do you waste your time with it?
Or...................... you fear bovine excrement.You're afraid bovine excrement is going to take over all our minds.
Nah...Fear is your issue, not mine. But the bovine excrement that fills your cranium and others, does have a negative impact on society at large.
ProximaCentauri
Member
An eternal torment in fire for non-belief only illustrates the sadistic and immoral nature of the imaginary deity you worship. Your 'faith' is in fact fear, dressed-up as virtue.
In the Old Testament, the word “sheol” is the underground depository of the dead. There are no immaterial, immortal souls in sheol, simply because the soul does not survive the death of the body. Nowhere in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment. The concept of an infernal ‘hell’ developed in Israel only during the Hellenistic period. The condition of the dead in sheol, the realm of the dead, is one of unconsciousness, inactivity, a rest or sleep that will continue until they are resurrected. The prospect that one day a vast number of people will be consigned to the everlasting torment of hell is most disturbing.
The notion of the eternal torment of the wicked can only be defended by accepting the Greek view of the immortality and indestructibility of the soul, a concept which is foreign to Scripture. Everlasting torture is intolerable from a moral point of view, because it pictures God acting like a bloodthirsty monster who maintains an everlasting Auschwitz for his enemies, whom he does not even allow to die.
PsyOps
Pixelated
A shallow answer indeed.
I'm still trying to figure out why you're wasting your time on bovine excrement? But you carry on... your true colors are quite vivid.
Amused_despair
New Member
So you refute the Book of Revelations?
The issue at the Great White Throne Judgment will be those standing there in their own righteousness. Those having their identity in the first Adam, Adam in rebellion. Death as we know it, would indeed be the end of our existence were it not for the fact of the resurrection. It is the resurrection that turns death into a temporary sleep, so to speak. The second death differs from the first death, not in nature, but in results.
The stern punishment awaiting the enemies of righteousness, whose temporary resurrection results only in a return to death and its punishment, their full and final defeat. The wicked will be resurrected mortal in order to receive their punishment which will result in their ultimate annihilation.
ProximaCentauri
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ProximaCentauri
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Matthew 25:46 “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Most of references to the resurrection mention its ‘fact’ rather than its ‘phases.’ The terror of the doomed as they begin to truly realize that God has thrown them out as worthless and as they anticipate the execution of his sentence. The meaning of the phrase ‘second death’ must be determined on the basis of the book of Revelation and Jewish literature and Paul, rather than on the basis of Greek dualism, foreign to the Bible.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Black holes don't exist. Neither does dark matter or parallel universes for that matter. Just a bunch of made-up crap by scientists to keep people fascinated and in awe of our universe.
Amused_despair
New Member
So you agree this statement of yours is in error when referencing the Book of Revelations?
Radiant1
Soul Probe
The stern punishment awaiting the enemies of righteousness, whose temporary resurrection results only in a return to death and its punishment, their full and final defeat. The wicked will be resurrected mortal in order to receive their punishment which will result in their ultimate annihilation. This not in error at all. Nowhere in the Old Testament is the abode of the dead regarded as a place of punishment or torment.
Amused_despair
New Member
Umm, no. You said "The notion of the eternal torment of the wicked can only be defended by accepting the Greek view of the immortality and indestructibility of the soul, a concept which is foreign to Scripture. Everlasting torture is intolerable from a moral point of view, because it pictures God acting like a bloodthirsty monster who maintains an everlasting Auschwitz for his enemies, whom he does not even allow to die." Apparently you find the notion of God as illustrated in the Book of Revelations to be "intolerable". Last I checked the Book of Revelations is in the New Testament, which is part of Scripture.
God has taken the initiative to reconcile man back to himself. God is not reconciled to man, as though God were partly to blame for the enmity. Rather, man is reconciled to God, for it is man who moved away from God. Paul makes this clear about reconciliation. If this 7-Sealed Book has to do with the whole subject of prophecy, with its causes, and not merely with its consequences and its end, then it may well take us back to the beginning when man was driven out from Paradise, when Adam forfeited his inheritance; and the promise of a coming Deliverer and Redeemer was given.