glhs837
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Right, but I venture to say that the battery connectors on a solar system a bit different than an EVs. We'll see.
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If I may ...
For your consideration ...
Plus, I'm pretty sure this car was being pummeled and tossed around during the storm while underwater at the same time. It's possible that the battery pack experienced a puncture or damage that would allow water entry?
Also, to all current and future Tesla or EV owners, take note, when driving, fording though high levels of water is not a good idea.
Corrosion isn't the issue. It the high salt content water that permeated submerged cars which would allow for electrical shorts to be easier to make. Being that a Tesla's battery pack encompass the entirety of the length and width on the underside of the car, it's easy to make a guess that salt water made an intrusion into areas that would cause a short that set off a chain reaction. Plus, lithium doesn't like water, of any sort. Since lithium reacts intensely with water, forming lithium hydroxide and highly flammable hydrogen. So maybe somehow the salt water made its way into the battery case, or wiring harnesses, through seepage?
Plus, I'm pretty sure this car was being pummeled and tossed around during the storm while underwater at the same time. It's possible that the battery pack experienced a puncture or damage that would allow water entry?
Also, to all current and future Tesla or EV owners, take note, when driving, fording though high levels of water is not a good idea.
glhs837
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Make all the guesses you want, we'll see what really happens.
Yes we will Cleopatra.
glhs837
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See, what I see is a lot of hearsay. From conservative politicians. Just one bit of corroboration would be nice.... Like those guys in Texas that went like 100 in seconds, crashed and burned and it was weeks before they finally released that Autopilot want even engaged.
10 and counting per ccjdigital.com 3 days ago. Sounds like more on the way Cleo.
glhs837
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Do you happen to have a direct link on that? I pulled up their website but nothing popped out at me
I googled it (How many ev's have burned up in Fla) they were at the top of the list.
glhs837
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Got it. Yep, says ten, but then later in the article, it mentions his department has only has one, but has responded to other districts, for a total of four... see where it gets confusing? I'd like to know how many were left charging at home. I've seen bad charging installs burning houses down being blamed on the cars.
All I can tell you is this, saltwater will F**K up anything electric, a SEALED system ain't sealed, It's hard to F**K up a battery charging install. Now YOU come to your own conclusion, mine is this, if it got flooded it's finished and fires are not out of the realm of possibility and I would add highly probable.
glhs837
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Well, any car flooded is finished, correct? We'll see how many catch fire. Saw this in a wiki, thought it was relevant.
And I would say possible, with no better than a 25% chance of fire from a saltwater flooded mass production EV.
In separate incidents during the storm and flooding caused by Hurricane Sandy on the night of October 29, 2012, one Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid and 16 Fisker Karmas caught fire while being parked at Port Newark-Elizabeth Marine Terminal. The vehicles were partially submerged by flash floods caused by the hurricane. In the case of the Toyota's incident, a Prius PHV burned and two other Priuses, a conventional hybrid and a plug-in, just smoldered. A Toyota spokeswoman said the fire “likely started because saltwater got into the electrical system.” She also clarified that the incident affected only three cars out of the 4,000 Toyotas that were at the terminal during the storm, including more than 2,128 plug-in or hybrid models. Fisker Automotive spokesman said that the Karmas were not charging at the time of the fire and there were no injuries.[69][70] After an investigation by Fisker engineers, witnessed by NHTSA representatives, the company said that the origin of the fire was "residual salt damage inside a Vehicle Control Unit submerged in seawater for several hours. Corrosion from the salt caused a short circuit in the unit, which led to a fire when the Karma's 12-Volt battery fed power into the circuit." The company explained that Sandy's heavy winds spread that fire to other Karmas parked nearby, and also ruled out the vehicles' lithium-ion battery packs as a cause of, or a contributing factor to, the fire.[71]
And I would say possible, with no better than a 25% chance of fire from a saltwater flooded mass production EV.
In separate incidents during the storm and flooding caused by Hurricane Sandy on the night of October 29, 2012, one Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid and 16 Fisker Karmas caught fire while being parked at Port Newark-Elizabeth Marine Terminal. The vehicles were partially submerged by flash floods caused by the hurricane. In the case of the Toyota's incident, a Prius PHV burned and two other Priuses, a conventional hybrid and a plug-in, just smoldered. A Toyota spokeswoman said the fire “likely started because saltwater got into the electrical system.” She also clarified that the incident affected only three cars out of the 4,000 Toyotas that were at the terminal during the storm, including more than 2,128 plug-in or hybrid models. Fisker Automotive spokesman said that the Karmas were not charging at the time of the fire and there were no injuries.[69][70] After an investigation by Fisker engineers, witnessed by NHTSA representatives, the company said that the origin of the fire was "residual salt damage inside a Vehicle Control Unit submerged in seawater for several hours. Corrosion from the salt caused a short circuit in the unit, which led to a fire when the Karma's 12-Volt battery fed power into the circuit." The company explained that Sandy's heavy winds spread that fire to other Karmas parked nearby, and also ruled out the vehicles' lithium-ion battery packs as a cause of, or a contributing factor to, the fire.[71]
What did you expect the representatives of the affected companies to say?
glhs837
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You did note the piece where it said the end NHTSA did witness those investigations right?
I don't see anything where they said they agreed with their opinion or did you miss that?
glhs837
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Having been part of a couple of engineering investigations where govt folks "present", if they see things they disagree with they will issue a finding explaining why they think the investigation was flawed. Lacking that, you can have pretty high confidence that they agreed with the findings.
One thing I've noticed during investigation's, usually nothing is said until the written report is ready. So there should be one after this investigation and the companies involved would have stated so if it enhanced the company's position, since nothing is brought up saying that they agreed with the findings my guess is that the government did NOT concur.
glhs837
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So, the govt agency watched an investigation, and disagreed with the conclusion, but never issued a statement to that effect?
Sorry, that logic doesn't flow for me.