Gas prices could be as high as $7.00 a gallon ....

BlueBird

BlueBird

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This was in the news a few days ago and it's frightening to think about. Economists are predicting oil prices to double by this time next year...

In this thread I'm hoping we can get an intellignet discussion going on "alternative fuels" and why we aren't there yet.

I'll get the ball rolling with Hydrogen.... I believe that if we use our nuclear power plants and augment with our wind, and solar power we could pruduce enough hydrogen power to all but eliminate our need for oil.

The technology id there so why aren't we using it?
 
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BlueBird said:
This was in the news a few days ago and it's frightening to think about. Economists are predicting oil prices to double by this time next year...

In this thread I'm hoping we can get an intellignet discussion going on "alternative fuels" and why we aren't there yet.

I'll get the ball rolling with Hydrogen.... I believe that if we use our nuclear power plants and augment with our wind, and solar power we could pruduce enough hydrogen power to all but eliminate our need for oil.

The technology id there so why aren't we using it?
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The technology has been here for a while already, the downfall is that since our economy is based on oil, to substitute it with something else would lead to an economic implosion.
I think the idea was to slowly "ween" us from the oil teet, oil companys know this so they are trying to get as much $$ as possible before this happens :ohwell:
 
aps45819

aps45819

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BlueBird said:
Economists are predicting oil prices to double by this time next year....

I'll get the ball rolling with Hydrogen.... I believe that if we use our nuclear power plants and augment with our wind, and solar power we could pruduce enough hydrogen power to all but eliminate our need for oil.

The technology id there so why aren't we using it?
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Seems reasonable, it's doubled since last year :yay:

The technology isn't the problem, it's the infrastructure.

We have oil pipelines to easily move oil around the country but no hydrogen pipelines.
We have oil refineries to convert oil to gas/diesel/kerosene/etc but no major facilities to crack water into hydrogen and oxygen.
Havo many gas stations to re-fuel your care are in the area? Have you seen a single hydrogen fueling station?
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
I don't know what the answer is but IMO, it will never come from corn. It is just not viable in the US as things are now. Not enough crop land and too high of demand for fuel.
 
aps45819

aps45819

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LexiGirl75 said:
Whatever happened to the corn and landfill ideas regarding alternative fuel choices?
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Who could ever have imagined that if the U.S. government ORDERED energy companies to use food as fuel and then paid them to do it, that it would lead to food shortages :shrug:
 
Bay_Kat

Bay_Kat

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BlueBird said:
This was in the news a few days ago and it's frightening to think about. Economists are predicting oil prices to double by this time next year...
In this thread I'm hoping we can get an intellignet discussion going on "alternative fuels" and why we aren't there yet.

I'll get the ball rolling with Hydrogen.... I believe that if we use our nuclear power plants and augment with our wind, and solar power we could pruduce enough hydrogen power to all but eliminate our need for oil.

The technology id there so why aren't we using it?
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Probably sooner. I went out this morning around 6 and the station near my house was 3.66 for regular, came back around noon and it was 3.74. Unreal!
 
BlueBird

BlueBird

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Infrastructure is key obviously, but the longer it takes for us to get a hydrogen based infrastructure in place the longer we need oil and the more dependant we become on the Middle East. I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but part of me beleives that the Middle East is intentional cutting back production to put America in economical distress.

I don't think ethanol or bio deisels are a real long term viable solution.

Other countries are already establishing hydrogen based infrastructures so the technology and resources are there we just need to use them.
 
ImnoMensa

ImnoMensa

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(((echo))) said:
The technology has been here for a while already, the downfall is that since our economy is based on oil, to substitute it with something else would lead to an economic implosion.
I think the idea was to slowly "ween" us from the oil teet, oil companys know this so they are trying to get as much $$ as possible before this happens :ohwell:
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I think you have a good point. Of course the way they are weening us is leading to an implosion and ruining our economy also.

We know for a fact there is plenty of oil around,but we cant drill for it because the envirowhacko's have convinced us that the oil in Alaska and the oil shelves off the coast is better left in the ground than used in our cars.We closed off thousands of wells when it became cheaper to import cheap saudi oil that to drill our own, Why havent these been re-opened. We know we are short of refineries. Why arent we building any or at least making plans to build some? Why arent we starting to place synthetic oil refineries to get oil from coal in place? Where are the plans for those? Decisions have been made and to hell with the economy. We are going to get clean, green transportation and heating or we arent going to travel, we arent going to be warm we will eat our food raw.
They will ween us off the oil tit or kill us trying.
 
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czygvtwkr

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(((echo))) said:
The technology has been here for a while already, the downfall is that since our economy is based on oil, to substitute it with something else would lead to an economic implosion.
I think the idea was to slowly "ween" us from the oil teet, oil companys know this so they are trying to get as much $$ as possible before this happens :ohwell:
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That's just plain stupid. It is because oil is still the cheaper option.
 
BlueBird

BlueBird

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I think it's our addiction to oil that will be our economic demise. The higher oil prices the less money we have to spend on anything else. Drilling in once forbidden places will only produce more oil which will just prolong the invevetible - we have to get off our oil kick and start using our technology to produce alternative power. We have the technology now to do this and there's no reason why we shouldn't other than politics and greed.
 
Xaquin44

Xaquin44

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I wonder what's going to happen next year when people can't afford to heat their homes and put gas in the car. If my oil bill doubled as well as my gas bill, I know I sure as heck couldn't afford it. Add to the fact that prices for every other thing under the sun will raise is adding insult to injury.

whatever plans oil companies/etc. have for helping us out had better kick in soon.
 
camily

camily

Peace
I was watching on discovery channel (Dirty Jobs) about a dairy farm fun completely on Methane gas. Is this an option? Before you guys call me stupid, know that engines etc. is not my area of expertise.
 
BlueBird

BlueBird

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camily said:
I was watching on discovery channel (Dirty Jobs) about a dairy farm fun completely on Methane gas. Is this an option? Before you guys call me stupid, know that engines etc. is not my area of expertise.
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Methane gas is a great option. Methane can also be harvested from land fill sites, infact some landfills are already doing it. Probably not a good long term solution and will probably never see a car which runs on Methane gas.
 
bcp

bcp

In My Opinion
I just paid $4.45 for diesel.

just loving life right now,, just f-ing loving it.


Ive pulled another grand for fuel for our vacation this year. the fuel cost is almost twice that of the rest of the trip.
 
camily

camily

Peace
I saw a post on here a while back about a guy that was doing an experiment with boiling water or something. It caused a fire somehow that could run an engine. I can't remember the details but it was quite a breakthrough.
 
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