Gay cupcakes mandatory!

[CrashTest]

My take on this is it is just like refusing to serve blacks at the lunch counter (or any other establishment) back in the day. I'm not sure from the article how they identified the group that wanted the cupcakes as gay, was it that they wanted rainbows or was it something else? Because I don't see how not making rainbow cupcakes has anything to do with being anti-family establishment...

You are wrong. Forcing them to make gay cupcakes is like forcing a woman's shoe store to start selling men's shoes. Can't do it.

However, it would be discrimination if the woman's shoe store refused to sell a woman's shoe to a man.

 

[vraiblonde]

My take on this is it is just like refusing to serve blacks at the lunch counter (or any other establishment) back in the day.

To me that's different because back then we had Jim Crow laws and segregation was the norm, not the exception. Blacks didn't have anywhere else to go. Pete's analogy of (and I'll add to it) a black printing company being forced to print KKK or neo-Nazi propaganda is more fitting. Business owners should have the right to refuse service.

I still think this was done on purpose by the gay group, that they deliberately chose a baker they knew was anti-gay so they could make a stink. To me, that is counter-productive. Someone dislikes you for whatever reason, so you go out of your way to tweak them and make absolute certain they will never look upon you favorably, and you pick up a few more haters in the process because of your combative behavior.

 

[Vince]

I'm going to make a gay cupcake store in Leonardtown.

Pete, if you'll be my first customer I'll be sure to sprinkle some candy corn on top.

I hate candy corn.

 

[n0n1m0us3]

To me that's different because back then we had Jim Crow laws and segregation was the norm, not the exception. Blacks didn't have anywhere else to go. Pete's analogy of (and I'll add to it) a black printing company being forced to print KKK or neo-Nazi propaganda is more fitting. Business owners should have the right to refuse service.

I still think this was done on purpose by the gay group, that they deliberately chose a baker they knew was anti-gay so they could make a stink. To me, that is counter-productive. Someone dislikes you for whatever reason, so you go out of your way to tweak them and make absolute certain they will never look upon you favorably, and you pick up a few more haters in the process because of your combative behavior.

I still don't understand how the group was even identified as gay in the first place, the article is kind of vague. I agree with you though that if they did just seek out someone to turn them down that is counter-productive and ridiculous. Like the lesbians trying to enroll their child in Catholic school, just trying to start trouble.

 

[bulldog]

My take on this is it is just like refusing to serve blacks at the lunch counter (or any other establishment) back in the day. I'm not sure from the article how they identified the group that wanted the cupcakes as gay, was it that they wanted rainbows or was it something else? Because I don't see how not making rainbow cupcakes has anything to do with being anti-family establishment...

Just spit ballin here, but my guess is that they identified them due to the order being place for "National Coming Out Day". Not proof that those placing the order are gay, but supporting an event associated with that issue.

IMO, my business, I serve or don't serve as I see fit. Unless the "City Market" group has some sort of by-laws that states that in order to do business in that area of town you must do this or that, then I say screw them, they have no right to define my business practices. Sort of like a homeowners association stating what you can and can't do in that particular hood. I don't agree with them and therefore we were sure to buy where there is no HOA.

 

[vraiblonde]

I still don't understand how the group was even identified as gay in the first place

They almost certainly identified themselves. Rainbows could be for a child's birthday party or just about anything. That's why I think this was deliberate on the part of the gay group.

My nephew is gay and while he's mainstream now, when he first came out he was a bit...um...flamboyant. He was complaining that people stared at him all the time, and concluded that it was because he was gay and they were haters. I pointed out that his neon orange hair was more likely the focus of their attention. Or it could have likely been his...um...unconventional fashion sense.

When people are trying to be pissed about something, they'll most likely find a reason.

 

[n0n1m0us3]

Just spit ballin here, but my guess is that they identified them due to the order being place for "National Coming Out Day". Not proof that those placing the order are gay, but supporting an event associated with that issue.

wow. I'm losing it, must be too early in the morning, I read that article twice and WHOOSH, missed that :/

IMO, my business, I serve or don't serve as I see fit. Unless the "City Market" group has some sort of by-laws that states that in order to do business in that area of town you must do this or that, then I say screw them, they have no right to define my business practices. Sort of like a homeowners association stating what you can and can't do in that particular hood. I don't agree with them and therefore we were sure to buy where there is no HOA.

I was wondering if this was the case as well as they said that City Market is an equal accommodations establishment but the article is vague on what/who City Market is.

 

[Tilted]

How can a city government dictate (ha a pun) you MUST manufacture and sell something you don't want to?

I'd agree that private business should be allowed to not make whatever products it wants. For that matter, I think it should be allowed to not serve whomever it wants (though, generally speaking, it isn't).

It's not clear yet that the city government is dictating anything here though. The mayor just indicated they were looking into it. I suspect the justification for the city's interest in the matter is that it owns the marketplace in which Just Cookies is a vendor. There may be terms in their lease, or the board which manages the market may have set policies, which prohibit discriminatory practices (which, depending on what those terms or policies are, this refusal may constitute). The board may also have general discretion with regard to business practices it does or doesn't think are appropriate.

This doesn't appear to be about government as sovereign regulating private business practices, it appears to be about government as landlord dictating conditions of lessee operations. Even still, I don't have much of an opinion about its propriety, in part because we still don't know what 'it' is.

 

[Bean Machine]

I was wondering if this was the case as well as they said that City Market is an equal accommodations establishment but the article is vague on what/who City Market is.

From their website:

When constructed in 1886, the Indianapolis City Market was under direct control of the City of Indianapolis. A "Market Master" was appointed by the mayor, however, the city still remained involved in formulating budgets and other day-to-day management functions.

This relationship lasted until 1988 when an ordinance was passed that established City Market as a 501 (c)(3) non-profit organization. City Market thus became free of political and municipal influence by this new organizational structure.

Under the ordinance, the city would still own the Market building and property, but a 13-member board of directors would oversee normal operations and assume management responsibility on its behalf. Six directors are appointed by the mayor and seven are appointed by the Indianapolis City-County Council.

The day-to-day operations of the market are overseen by a full-time professional staff.

 

[Bean Machine]

Interestingly, there is a place called Dottie's Kitchen in that very same city market area, and they do catering. Seems if you wanted cupcakes, that's where you'd go. I think this whole thing is a set up by those "coming out"

 

[Tilted]

Interestingly, there is a place called Dottie's Kitchen in that very same city market area, and they do catering. Seems if you wanted cupcakes, that's where you'd go. I think this whole thing is a set up by those "coming out"

Why would someone be more likely to go to (what looks like) a general food place than a bakery if they were looking for baked goods (e.g. cupcakes or cookies, both of which they apparently asked for - though they may have preferred the cupcakes originally)? Just Cookies' information indicates that they make homemade cookies and sweets, and that they do special orders and catering as well.

Presented with those two options, I'd surely check with Just Cookies first.

 

[JoeRider]

Interestingly, there is a place called Dottie's Kitchen in that very same city market area, and they do catering. Seems if you wanted cupcakes, that's where you'd go. I think this whole thing is a set up by those "coming out"

Dottie's kitchen is owned by Jim and Leroy. They have been Domestic Partner's for years and refused to make the cup cakes because they thought the rainbows were tacky. Jim was quoted "If they want to be gay they better get some class and style...We do not want to be associated with that garbage....the design is sick! They should be asking for finger cookies instead!"


The reporter almost got his eye poked out by Jim's pinky finger in the interview.

 

[libertytyranny]

They should be able to refuse whatever order they please. the question is..why? it's money. and everyone knows gays love cupcakes. and therefore you are pissing off an important market. Like not allowing fat people to buy bacon.

 

[Bean Machine]

Why would someone be more likely to go to (what looks like) a general food place than a bakery if they were looking for baked goods (e.g. cupcakes or cookies, both of which they apparently asked for - though they may have preferred the cupcakes originally)? Just Cookies' information indicates that they make homemade cookies and sweets, and that they do special orders and catering as well.

Presented with those two options, I'd surely check with Just Cookies first.

Well given that the name is JUST Cookies, I wouldn't assume they do cupcakes, therefore I'd check with the kitchen folks first.

 

[GWguy]

I want a cupcake.

 

[Pete]

I want a cupcake.

I knew it.

 

[bcp]

Quick search comes up with 10 bakeries in the area.
Why this one?

I'm betting that its this one because for some reason they are known to be non gay friendly. So, naturally the homos would pick this one just to make a statement.

Of course this has NOTHING to do with their agenda of forced acceptance to their deviant lifestyle. (an agenda that does not exist)

 

[GWguy]

I knew it.

What gave it away? The rainbow flag on the bike or the phone numbers scrawled in the Olive Garden bathroom walls?

 

[Pete]

What gave it away? The rainbow flag on the bike or the phone numbers scrawled in the Olive Garden bathroom walls?

You had APs decals on your bike?

 

[bcp]

What gave it away? The rainbow flag on the bike or the phone numbers scrawled in the Olive Garden bathroom walls?

could be the foot pegs on the front wheel and the glory hole in the windshield.