Good or evil? Do you believe?

[Cheeky1]

We can ALL be as Adam and Eve at one point or another.

However, saying I am "very close to exactly" means you have no idea.

Eve sought out the wisdom. If I recall correctly, it wasn't just any wisdom, but wisdom of God or the gods (don't remember which).

Calling anyone out as "you're being like Adam and Eve!" is only an attempt at a shame/guilt trip. So, you can shove your current understanding where sun don't shine, because that's probably where it came from anyway.

I apologize for my brash words.

Seek wisdom through God, mate. We're all sinners. Don't even try to act like your better than Adam or Eve, because you aren't. There is only belief that can save you....belief in Jesus Christ. Not knowledge. Not wisdom. Not poison. Jesus Christ.

Cheers! Have a great time celebrating Independence Day! since the fireworks will be tonight

 

[JPCusick]

Excellent.

Also, stubborn isn't inherently bad either. Being "stubborn" and opposed to the someone else doing something BAD to me isn't bad. It's called self-defense. ...and some cases...God defense.

It is okay with me if you want to stick to your own perspective and I really do not want to be offensive to you, but I do want to explain this a bit farther in case anyone else who reads it might understand the point.

Being "stubborn" is neither "good or bad" as the original poison simply makes so people judge everything as "good or bad" because that is how the poison works.

Of course we could say that the reason for being stubborn can make it as "good or as bad" or else the person being stubborn is either "good or bad" or the after effects are to be "good or bad" or the intention or the pretext or whatever can make any action as being "good or bad" and this is because the poisoned knowledge is infected into people's mentality as the poison spreads around and it will infect the mentality in the worse of ways.

The original poisoned knowledge of "good and bad" is still active and growing.

 

[hotcoffee]

If we had remained as babies...

Sometimes I think of this as a Father daughter kind of time.

Dad says to daughter.... you can play with anything around.... I've given you animals and birds, flowers and food....

But don't go over to that tree...... it's a crabapple tree.... if you eat those crabapples you'll get a bellyache....

Daughter runs off to play and she gets to thinking.... hhhmmm what's a crabapple? And for that matter what's a Bellyache!!!! After all, everything around here is so totally cool.... I bet a crabapple and a bellyache must be something extra special....

I think I'll just mozey over here and take a look....

That's what the chapter says to me....

 

[JPCusick]

Excellent.

Now Adam had already eaten the fruit by this time and he knew good from evil and he threw Eve under the bus.... Then Eve ratted out the serpent...

JP... the knowledge isn't the poison.... The action is....

Eve knew that God didn't want her to do it.... After Adam and Eve ate the fruit... they both knew it was wrong and tried to hang the consequences on someone else....

Here's my question tho.... There had been no death in Eden.... How would they know what "surely die" meant? They couldn't have grasped that concept. They were like babies.... babies don't know what death is....

Caine didn't know that clubbing is brother would bring on death.... that's why God spared him...

No.... the knowledge of good and evil isn't poison.... It's the knowing you've been told not to do something and you do it anyway....

Man has been told over and over and over again.... don't worship idols... and they do it anyway....

Man just doesn't listen...

Above "hotcoffee" gives a virtual dictionary definition of the event as it has long been told under Christian orthodox doctrine.

She and the message is wrong - but she said it very well indeed.

Saying that Adam and Eve simply disobeyed God and that is the original sin is a misunderstanding of what is told in the Garden. God did not give Adam and Eve a true commandment as it was a warning. As in a commandment means that God said such and if we disobey then God will punish the sinner, but in the case of the "knowledge of good and bad" then it was a warning, as in if they eat of it then that knowledge would hurt them. God did not punish them with "death" in that case as it was the poisoned knowledge that punishes us all with a spiritual death and with physical death.

It is like a parent telling their young child not to touch the stove because they will get burned, so it is a type of command but more accurately it is just a warning in that the hot stove will harm the child. Then the child does it anyway and the child gets burned and then the parent will rush to comfort the child and maybe take the burn to a Doctor and the burn itself is the punishment.

God told Adam and Eve not to eat of that knowledge because that knowledge is poisonous and that knowledge will hurt the people.

The original sin of disobeying is important, but the original poison of that knowledge was worse.

It was because of that poisoned knowledge that humanity got put out of the Garden, Genesis 3:22-24, and therein is the ongoing problem from that same poisoned knowledge going on ever after and now into this 21st century.

Just FYI.

 

[StoneThrower]

Above "hotcoffee" gives a virtual dictionary definition of the event as it has long been told under Christian orthodox doctrine.

She and the message is wrong - but she said it very well indeed.

Saying that Adam and Eve simply disobeyed God and that is the original sin is a misunderstanding of what is told in the Garden. God did not give Adam and Eve a true commandment as it was a warning. As in a commandment means that God said such and if we disobey then God will punish the sinner, but in the case of the "knowledge of good and bad" then it was a warning, as in if they eat of it then that knowledge would hurt them. God did not punish them with "death" in that case as it was the poisoned knowledge that punishes us all with a spiritual death and with physical death.

It is like a parent telling their young child not to touch the stove because they will get burned, so it is a type of command but more accurately it is just a warning in that the hot stove will harm the child. Then the child does it anyway and the child gets burned and then the parent will rush to comfort the child and maybe take the burn to a Doctor and the burn itself is the punishment.

God told Adam and Eve not to eat of that knowledge because that knowledge is poisonous and that knowledge will hurt the people.

The original sin of disobeying is important, but the original poison of that knowledge was worse.

It was because of that poisoned knowledge that humanity got put out of the Garden, Genesis 3:22-24, and therein is the ongoing problem from that same poisoned knowledge going on ever after and now into this 21st century.

Just FYI.

Dude, even using your pretzel logic for a moment, once they were seperated from the tree of life in the garden, the result was physical death!

Its just like scripture says sin caused death.

19 “Yet you say, ‘Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?’ Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

21 “But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die.

Romans 5:12 – “Therefore just as through one man (Adam) sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned.”

5:18 Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteous act came righteousness leading to life for all people

 

[JPCusick]

Excellent.

Romans 5:18 Consequently, just as condemnation for all people came through one transgression, so too through the one righteous act came righteousness leading to life for all people.

I just want to point out that it tells us there in your reference that every person (all people) will be saved.

Every person was condemned - then every person got saved.

It would NOT be salvation if some million or billion people were burning in a Hell - and even if just one sin filled lost sheep was left to burn in a Hell then it would not be salvation.

Salvation means every person throughout all humanity in all times and all places.

 

[StoneThrower]

I just want to point out that it tells us there in your reference that every person (all people) will be saved.

Every person was condemned - then every person got saved.

It would NOT be salvation if some million or billion people were burning in a Hell - and even if just one sin filled lost sheep was left to burn in a Hell then it would not be salvation.

Salvation means every person throughout all humanity in all times and all places.

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[StoneThrower]

I just want to point out that it tells us there in your reference that every person (all people) will be saved.

Every person was condemned - then every person got saved.

It would NOT be salvation if some million or billion people were burning in a Hell - and even if just one sin filled lost sheep was left to burn in a Hell then it would not be salvation.

Salvation means every person throughout all humanity in all times and all places.

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[warneckutz]

I just want to point out that it tells us there in your reference that every person (all people) will be saved.

Every person was condemned - then every person got saved.

It would NOT be salvation if some million or billion people were burning in a Hell - and even if just one sin filled lost sheep was left to burn in a Hell then it would not be salvation.

Salvation means every person throughout all humanity in all times and all places.

Go get a job...

 

[JPCusick]

Excellent.

Go get a job...

I know that is super important to you, but it does not apply to me.

You (and your kind) have sold your self out as a beast-of-burden (a human cow) in that you work at jobs to make other people rich while they profit off of your laboring.

It is not my place to join in with you or with your kind simply because I am not a beast-of-burden.

And that which you say is very similar to what the King of Egypt said to Moses that the people need to be given more work at their job in order to stop the people from thinking about serving God, Exodus 5:4-9


Moooooooo to the human cows.

 

[hotcoffee]

JP.... what an odd man you are....

Do these wierd things you say just come to you out of thin air or do you have to take real thoughts, cut them up, and draw them out of a hat to bring them back into a wierd thought....

 

[bcp]

JP.... what an odd man you are....

Do these wierd things you say just come to you out of thin air or do you have to take real thoughts, cut them up, and draw them out of a hat to bring them back into a wierd thought....

Now go easy on him. He prefers to be treated like a pet. Society feeds him, gives him a place to stay, lets him out to play now and again, and in return?
just like a dog he sleeps most of the day, and comes out and wags his tail when the pet check comes.

I hope he is house broken.

 

[warneckutz]

So, what you're saying is you're too lazy and weak to contribute to society?

When the day comes and you're begging for mercy, you better hope he hears you.

I know that is super important to you, but it does not apply to me.

You (and your kind) have sold your self out as a beast-of-burden (a human cow) in that you work at jobs to make other people rich while they profit off of your laboring.

It is not my place to join in with you or with your kind simply because I am not a beast-of-burden.

And that which you say is very similar to what the King of Egypt said to Moses that the people need to be given more work at their job in order to stop the people from thinking about serving God, Exodus 5:4-9


Moooooooo to the human cows.

 

[JPCusick]

Excellent.

So, what you're saying is you're too lazy and weak to contribute to society?

When the day comes and you're begging for mercy, you better hope he hears you.

If you must refer only to me myself personally - as surely you must - then I do not have a job because I am Disabled and unable to do a job, but I still see myself as contributing to society.

When you work on a job then you are really just contributing to the enrichment of your boss (or the Company owner).

As to hoping He (God) hears me when I am begging for mercy - then yes of course I do.

 

[Cheeky1]

...When you work on a job then you are really just contributing to the enrichment of your boss (or the Company owner)...

True, but you are also gaining skills, knowledge, and a wage in return for the work provided.

Sounds like you enjoy being dependent - disabled or not.

Neither of these are evil :shrug:

 

[PsyOps]

If you must refer only to me myself personally - as surely you must - then I do not have a job because I am Disabled and unable to do a job, but I still see myself as contributing to society.

When you work on a job then you are really just contributing to the enrichment of your boss (or the Company owner).

As to hoping He (God) hears me when I am begging for mercy - then yes of course I do.

On so many levels, I truly feel sorry for you.

 

[SoMDGirl42]

On so many levels, I truly feel sorry for you.

I don't feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for us for having to support his ass for his entire life, and his useless offspring that he passed his sorry genes to.

 

[PsyOps]

True, but you are also gaining skills, knowledge, and a wage in return for the work provided.

Sounds like you enjoy being dependent - disabled or not.

Neither of these are evil :shrug:

You really believe when you work for someone else (which the vast majority of WORKERS do work for someone else) you’re actually JUST contributing to the enrichment of your boss/company?

There’s a guy I work with (a big lib) that believes this too. And of course we hear Obama saying this as well. This must be the liberal mentality that companies are only doing what they do on the backs of unassuming workers; and those workers are basically slaves to that company. This is a really sad commentary to the understanding of a tiered work force.

Someone has to be the boss. Someone has to be the owner. Someone has to be the employee/worker. Someone is always going to make more money than someone else. There has to be a hierarchy. But I always think of what I’m doing – regardless of whether my company makes money from it or not – as contributing something. My skills, my efforts, what I bring to the customer. If I’m working for Taylor Guitars and making guitars makes money for Taylor, that’s not all that happens. I’m making something for someone that it will bring musical joy to; and hopefully through my serious application of my skills it’s of a good quality. THAT’S the pride in working regardless of whether my company actually makes money from it or not.

EVERYONE is enriched, not just the boss or company. The company is nothing unless they provide a product that is wanted or needed by the consumer. THAT is the end-all for business. Employees do it to make a living and actually provide something to society. The class-envy BS that JPC has spewed is nothing but a bunch of covetous nonsense.

Furthermore… there is nothing more selfish and greedy than someone that believes they actually contribute to society by taking from it – on the backs of tax payers.

 

[PsyOps]

I don't feel sorry for him, I feel sorry for us for having to support his ass for his entire life, and his useless offspring that he passed his sorry genes to.

Let me qualify myself... I feel sorry for him like I feel sorry for the cat that got stuck down in a well and needs help getting out. I feel that's about the mentality we're dealing with here.

I equally feel angry that there are people out there that actually feel this is why we are being taxed; to support people that are admitted frauds on our social systems. We truly are an ignorant society. WE don't have to support any of this, if WE - the collective - shut it down. Cut these leeches off.

JPC is like the child you keep giving candy to day after day; then when you cut them off they throw a tantrum. They only know what they’ve been conditioned to know. What they will receive for doing nothing. No real effort or thinking required, except to put your hand out.

 

[JPCusick]

Response.

Let me qualify myself... I feel sorry for him like I feel sorry for the cat that got stuck down in a well and needs help getting out. I feel that's about the mentality we're dealing with here.

I equally feel angry that there are people out there that actually feel this is why we are being taxed; to support people that are admitted frauds on our social systems. We truly are an ignorant society. WE don't have to support any of this, if WE - the collective - shut it down. Cut these leeches off.

JPC is like the child you keep giving candy to day after day; then when you cut them off they throw a tantrum. They only know what they’ve been conditioned to know. What they will receive for doing nothing. No real effort or thinking required, except to put your hand out.

Well you pretentious boob.

You could at least pretend that you were talking about the subject matter instead of obsessing over me.

If I were such a child then you would be the mature one - but no.