Govt Work at Home May Be Over

SamSpade

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People who have moved away from the location of the office during Covid will likely not return to work. I think there are a lot of people who fit into this category. Early move to where they wanted to retire when that day eventually came, and it came early in the form of Covid and offices condoning it or, more likely, were never informed of the move.
At least two people I work with were hired DURING COVID - and they work remotely. This screws them, because they took the job never having made any agreement they would have to move 500 miles to keep their job.

The thing is - most federal workers - the average number of years worked is WAY higher than for most industries. Your average federal worker has about 14 years experience there. Eliminate some of the entry level persons from the equation and that number is much higher. IF you take measures to pressure people to leave - you are most likely to push out two kinds of workers - those with the skillset to keep them in very large demand, so that working elsewhere won't be difficult (typically younger ones) - and older management who are close enough to retirement that they decide to leave early.

Leaving a higher percentage - of the kinds of workers you were MOST hoping to eliminate. See, in private industry, your typical worker has been there 3-5 years. Over half of all federal workers have a degree - not so in private industry, where the number is a lot lower. When you have a company where the bulk of the staff are warehouse workers or phone support - ditching a few employees might help even in the short run. In federal government, it works against you, because they are not "bottom heavy".
 

PeoplesElbow

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Data call came out today asking how likely are you to pursue other job opportunities if the possibility of telework is eliminated.

Will say we lost 2 of 3 recent hires to jobs that have the majority of the time as telework.
 

PeoplesElbow

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I hope my position continues to be mostly WFH. The two days a week that I go in to the office just about wears me out on an emotional/mental level: I just want to do my job and NOT interact with people, put on dress clothes, do my makeup and hair, deal with (minor) traffic, etc. I really enjoy the peace and quiet of being left alone to do my work.
I just re-read this post and remembered something funny. I know someone who has a secretary that comes to work with no makeup and bed head, she spends the first hour or so while at work in the bathroom doing her hair and makeup. He is too big of a wuss to fire her.
 

PrchJrkr

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I just re-read this post and remembered something funny. I know someone who has a secretary that comes to work with no makeup and bed head, she spends the first hour or so while at work in the bathroom doing her hair and makeup. He is too big of a wuss to fire her.
Or, maybe he's the one that caused her bed head. :eyebrow:
 

SamSpade

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I just re-read this post and remembered something funny. I know someone who has a secretary that comes to work with no makeup and bed head, she spends the first hour or so while at work in the bathroom doing her hair and makeup. He is too big of a wuss to fire her.
When I was coming IN PERSON every day to work - that's nothing. We had a secretary who spent all morning in the cafeteria chatting with her friends - when she DIDN'T do that, she brought her breakfast to her desk and used our conference room to eat. She'd get seriously PISSED when a scheduled meeting would interrupt her breakfast. She insisted we do our own travel, our own timesheets and she never ever wrote up anything.

About the only thing she ever did was route phone calls - and delivered snail mail when it ever arrived.

Why did we keep her, you say? Hard to fire, especially with the Union. THAT is the problem, of government efficiency. It is excruciatingly difficult to fire employees who are simply lazy. Drunk, high, abusive, insubordinate - that also takes time, but it can be done.

On the flip side - SIMILAR rules make it difficult for a boss to reward really great work.
 

Kyle

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Why did we keep her, you say? Hard to fire, especially with the Union. THAT is the problem, of government efficiency. It is excruciatingly difficult to fire employees who are simply lazy. Drunk, high, abusive, insubordinate - that also takes time, but it can be done.

seems to me with governments close ties to organized crime, it would be easier to call in a favor. Just add a hotline to the HR office.

Problem just disappears.
 

SamSpade

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seems to me with governments close ties to organized crime, it would be easier to call in a favor. Just add a hotline to the HR office.

Problem just disappears.
We did see a VERY clever way to get rid of a chronically lazy person who never did any work. Some of my friends had mixed feelings - she was immensely fun to be around, very entertaining - but she barely showed up for work, frequently went home, shopped, or just did whatever she wanted.

They PROMOTED her.

Once she was management - she was now no longer part of a bargaining unit - could no longer run to the union to protect her.

I think it took six months to kick her out.
 

PeoplesElbow

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We did see a VERY clever way to get rid of a chronically lazy person who never did any work. Some of my friends had mixed feelings - she was immensely fun to be around, very entertaining - but she barely showed up for work, frequently went home, shopped, or just did whatever she wanted.

They PROMOTED her.

Once she was management - she was now no longer part of a bargaining unit - could no longer run to the union to protect her.

I think it took six months to kick her out.
My organization has fired quite a few people, but the ones not worth the effort we put in a position that made them want to quit and many moved on themselves.

The contractors have actually been harder to get rid of, we had one that wouldn't shower, didn't show up to work half the time but always had some kind of excuse about someone dying etc. His dad was his supervisors boss so every time he got put in for personnel action his dad made it go away.
 

SamSpade

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My organization has fired quite a few people, but the ones not worth the effort we put in a position that made them want to quit and many moved on themselves.

The contractors have actually been harder to get rid of, we had one that wouldn't shower, didn't show up to work half the time but always had some kind of excuse about someone dying etc. His dad was his supervisors boss so every time he got put in for personnel action his dad made it go away.
See, that's interesting - we've never had trouble getting rid of contractors - who for the most part, TYPICALLY work way harder than our full time employees - and are usually WAY smarter. That's at least been my experience.

Funny story about one guy we hired. He was far and away one of the smartest people I ever knew. There wasn't a subject ON EARTH he didn't know way more than me. Except sports, but I'm not much of a sports maven. But anything - math, science, history. He knew it too. He liked to get his digs in.

Once the subject popped up, he said you know, Virginia's the only state that is a commonwealth (a classic case of a distinction without a difference). I immediately responded - having lived there - nope, Pennsylvania's one too. Really? Yes, look it up. So's Massachusetts. Really? Yes, look it up (having lived THERE also, heard it almost every day). Oh - let me think - there's one more. Kentucky. Yep.

"You're loving this, aren't you?" "Oh hell yeah".

BUT -

We have had people we JUST COULDN'T GET RID OF. When we tried what YOU suggested - they ran straight to the Union - and reversed the situation. Gave them useless busy work? They loved it. It did mean they occupied a seat on our staff which would be better served with an ACTUAL USEFUL PERSON - because we could only have so many people, and a useless employee just meant more work for everyone ELSE - but at least she wasn't making things WORSE for everyone else by "fixing" things.
 

Kinnakeet

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Im retired and have gained 10 pounds..lol but since TRUMP won my Monies has increased a whole bunch..whats this have to do with people going back to work well nothing Im bored so I figured I would post something...Oh McRib's Back
 

Kyle

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We did see a VERY clever way to get rid of a chronically lazy person who never did any work. Some of my friends had mixed feelings - she was immensely fun to be around, very entertaining - but she barely showed up for work, frequently went home, shopped, or just did whatever she wanted.

They PROMOTED her.

Once she was management - she was now no longer part of a bargaining unit - could no longer run to the union to protect her.

I think it took six months to kick her out.
Isn’t that how they make SES‘s?

Except they don’t fire them.
 

SamSpade

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Isn’t that how they make SES‘s?

Except they don’t fire them.
I once - years ago - was invited for a "ride along" with our top division head. We were working on a fledgling effort at an intranet - a term at the time seemed "new" because so much stuff was done through buggy apps - and he wanted me along to see what he did.

I was totally astonished at how removed his work was, from what everyone below him did. His contact with everyone below him was pretty much restricted to the division heads. Beyond that, his world consisted of budgets, proposals, outside visitors, meetings. If I had mentioned even ONE project we worked on - other than a very broad description, like say, the Consumer Price Index - he was without a clue. It would be like explaining starvation to a medieval monarch. They just don't see it.
 

glhs837

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My organization has fired quite a few people, but the ones not worth the effort we put in a position that made them want to quit and many moved on themselves.

The contractors have actually been harder to get rid of, we had one that wouldn't shower, didn't show up to work half the time but always had some kind of excuse about someone dying etc. His dad was his supervisors boss so every time he got put in for personnel action his dad made it go away.

Nepotism is pretty crazy in the contractor world.
 

SamSpade

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Nepotism is pretty crazy in the contractor world.
Wow. I've never seen this. When we have contractors, they're usually die-hard propeller heads who never leave their cubicle and write code perfectly written, outstandingly cleverly and neatly documented. They come in on time, don't talk to anyone and leave promptly.
 

OccamsRazor

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Data call came out today asking how likely are you to pursue other job opportunities if the possibility of telework is eliminated.
Funny you mention this. One of the customers that I support told me yesterday that they were required to make a report of how many available spots there were in their building and how many open seats they had.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Wow. I've never seen this. When we have contractors, they're usually die-hard propeller heads who never leave their cubicle and write code perfectly written, outstandingly cleverly and neatly documented. They come in on time, don't talk to anyone and leave promptly.
Contractor for us is the low end job, often someones first job out of the navy until they find something better.
 

PeoplesElbow

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Funny you mention this. One of the customers that I support told me yesterday that they were required to make a report of how many available spots there were in their building and how many open seats they had.
I occupy a building that isn't "owned" by us and the owner comes by all the time making sure we have our spaces occupied or they will take them.
 

SamSpade

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I occupy a building that isn't "owned" by us and the owner comes by all the time making sure we have our spaces occupied or they will take them.
In the old days - an unoccupied seat pretty much meant, lost a staff member, can't rehire anyone. Or have offers that no one seems to be taking.
 
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