Great Mills & Rte 5

MiddleGround

Well-Known Member
I'll just leave this riiiiiight here with the logical inconsistency.
GOT DAMN! You people cannot keep up with a conversation to save your lives! Let me break it down 3rd grade style for you......

YOU: I drive NB on Rte 5 through the intersection and police have cracked down on shoulder runners THUS... eliminating the people using Old Great Mills Road to cut in at the lane merge.

Me: Those lane runners are now sitting in traffic BEFORE Rte 5 reaches Great Mills Road intersection thus meaning more congestion BEFORE Great Mills Road.

Also Me: The people using Old Great Mills Road had little to no effect on the overall traffic issues at that intersection
 

DoWhat

Sexy Stud
PREMO Member
Yo Dumba$$...

That traffic had little to no effect on the overall problem. There has been very little to no change in the backups at rush hour. Regardless of what people think of "the flow" it is still at least as bad as it was before the change at Old Great Mills.

Do us all a favor and re-read the conversation so you can catch up and not look like you are lost :yay:
The traffic is still backed up, Yes.
The traffic flow now, moves faster than it did before.
I drive it every day during the week.
 

SailorGirl

Well-Known Member
Regarding the shoulder runners, reference this article from 2012 discussing exactly this issue, at the entrance to my neighborhood.
That's when the enforcement started, and they've done it several times since - most recently maybe six months ago. Most people "got the memo" and it's now fairly rare.

If you're talking about people using the turn lane legitimately once it starts near the top of the hill, then turning left onto Old GMR, that's not "shoulder running" as such. Yes, I'm sure that was still happening. But I fail to see how preventing that activity makes the problem worse. It resulted in exactly the same number of cars passing through the intersection, only from a different direction. In fact, as the SHA asserted, NOT allowing that activity makes it better by eliminating merging conflicts.
The police should probably send that memo to themselves. I've seen them use both the shoulder and turn lane to that neighborhood at least four times in the last two weeks. Apparently it annoys me enough that I remark about it every time I see it based on my son's comments of you already said that (insert exasperation here). It's probably the same cop - I come through there at the same time twice a week. Yesterday a car did it, a cop followed and I though good get him. Nope, they were both turning onto Great Mills just started early.
 

Bird Dog

Bird Dog
PREMO Member
GOT DAMN! You people cannot keep up with a conversation to save your lives! Let me break it down 3rd grade style for you......

YOU: I drive NB on Rte 5 through the intersection and police have cracked down on shoulder runners THUS... eliminating the people using Old Great Mills Road to cut in at the lane merge.

Me: Those lane runners are now sitting in traffic BEFORE Rte 5 reaches Great Mills Road intersection thus meaning more congestion BEFORE Great Mills Road.

Also Me: The people using Old Great Mills Road had little to no effect on the overall traffic issues at that intersection
“Thou doth protest too much”

Sounds like you were a “former” shoulder runner and they took away your little shortcut......just sayin’
 

baxter

Active Member
It has made a difference, if you coming from the Webster field direction. If your coming south on Great Mills Rd to Northbound RTE5, its still a mess. People don't understand its a zipper merge, I love coming through here everyday in my large Crane or other large vehicles I have. Came through the other day and some jackass in a Beemer with VA tags decides to try and pass me on the turn, its quite possible, other that being a jackass, he didn't see the Z06 Emblem on my corvette,,,,,,see YA
 

Goldenhawk

Well-Known Member
The police should probably send that memo to themselves. I've seen them use both the shoulder and turn lane to that neighborhood at least four times in the last two weeks. Apparently it annoys me enough that I remark about it every time I see it based on my son's comments of you already said that (insert exasperation here). It's probably the same cop - I come through there at the same time twice a week. Yesterday a car did it, a cop followed and I though good get him. Nope, they were both turning onto Great Mills just started early.
That's probably worth a call to the Sheriff's office, especially if you have dashcam footage. If they are on a call, it's perfectly legit, but then they should have their lights activated. If not, then they're doubly guilty - of breaking the law, and furthermore of demonstrating lawbreaking as an officer of the law.
 

BernieP

Resident PIA
Nope, they were both turning onto Great Mills just started early.
Define "early", based on 235 a half mile isn't early. My advice to anyone who slows down to turn into a drive way, signal and slow down WAY in advance, or you will get rear ended. I've seen people go straight thru intersections in the turn lane. The only thing that stops them is a physical barrier, white lines and signs mean nothing.
 

SailorGirl

Well-Known Member
Define "early", based on 235 a half mile isn't early. My advice to anyone who slows down to turn into a drive way, signal and slow down WAY in advance, or you will get rear ended. I've seen people go straight thru intersections in the turn lane. The only thing that stops them is a physical barrier, white lines and signs mean nothing.
Earlier then they were supposed to turn - there's the turn cut out for people that are actually turning into the housing and as far as I know, those that are actually turning onto Great Mills Road aren't supposed to go into the far right turn lane until they've passed the turn for the housing. Isn't that what people were getting ticketed for a while back?
 

Goldenhawk

Well-Known Member
Define "early", based on 235 a half mile isn't early. My advice to anyone who slows down to turn into a drive way, signal and slow down WAY in advance, or you will get rear ended. I've seen people go straight thru intersections in the turn lane. The only thing that stops them is a physical barrier, white lines and signs mean nothing.
I've long been bothered that the police don't enforce the turn lane running on 235 NB before passing First Colony. I was taught that you never go through an intersection in a turn lane. Especially now that there is a four-way intersection there, anyone not turning right at the First Colony light technically should not be in the turn lane. I guess the backup is often so long, however, that it's simply impractical to enforce it.

With that said, the situation on Rt 5 NB at Bay Ridge Drive is a little different - it's NOT a turn lane until about 100 yards from Bay Ridge Drive. Further back, it's a true shoulder, and not a travel lane. Passing on THAT shoulder is using pavement that is by definition not part of the roadway. At least the 235 NB section is a turn lane, which IS part of the roadway. It's demarcated by a dashed white line, indicating that it's permissible to cross it.

I wonder how the people who live in Woodland Acres like having to join the long northbound turn lane backup just to get into their neighborhood.
 
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