Guard Dog Prices Skyrocket to Six Figures

ArkRescue

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hey Turbo - I see a part-time business opportunity ......

"Demand for guard dogs is so high now that some services, such as Harrison K-9 in Aiken, South Carolina, are fetching anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000 per dog.

Harrison K-9 isn't the only successful company in this business niche either. Additional security dog providers, such as Command Control K-9 and Elite K-9 Security, are also earning top dollars for their top dogs.

You might, however, be wondering why anyone would buy a dog that costs more than the median price of a house during this down economy. One word comes to mind first: fear."

Guard Dog Prices Skyrocket to Six Figures : Discovery News
 

ICit

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hey Turbo - I see a part-time business opportunity ......

"Demand for guard dogs is so high now that some services, such as Harrison K-9 in Aiken, South Carolina, are fetching anywhere from $50,000 to $200,000 per dog.

Harrison K-9 isn't the only successful company in this business niche either. Additional security dog providers, such as Command Control K-9 and Elite K-9 Security, are also earning top dollars for their top dogs.

You might, however, be wondering why anyone would buy a dog that costs more than the median price of a house during this down economy. One word comes to mind first: fear."

Guard Dog Prices Skyrocket to Six Figures : Discovery News

thats cheap :shrug: what do you think the police dogs are worth after their training
 

ArkRescue

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oh I already KNEW they were valuable but apparently demand has gone up so they need MORE trained dogs. Figured Turbo might be able to do some dog training PT for extra income - he's so good with dog training :biggrin:

thats cheap :shrug: what do you think the police dogs are worth after their training
 

TurboK9

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oh I already KNEW they were valuable but apparently demand has gone up so they need MORE trained dogs. Figured Turbo might be able to do some dog training PT for extra income - he's so good with dog training :biggrin:

Not my thing. Places like these are 'rackets'. They are sport trained dogs, and you have absolutely no assurance they will actually protect. Most actually buy sport trained dogs from Europe, cheap because they are 2nd class competitors, and sell them at a premium as 'executive protection' dogs and whatnot. :rolleyes:

Besides, you'd have to be nuts to sell a protection trained dog to some family with absolutely no training or handling experience.
 
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toppick08

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Nastiest guard dog I was ever around by far was a St. Bernard....here locally, many moons ago.

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ArkRescue

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I would think they would provide training to the family as part of a package deal included in the purchase price?

Speaking of dogs with jobs. I'd like to take advantage of my boys good nature and maybe use him as part of a social time visit to area facilities. How does one look into that to get started with the process? Every time he sees a new person he gets excited and wags his tail and wants to be petted. I think that would make him perfect for visits to assisted living and nursing home type facilities. What do you think? Is it too much trouble to try to get into that?

Not my thing. Places like these are 'rackets'. They are sport trained dogs, and you have absolutely no assurance they will actually protect. Most actually buy sport trained dogs from Europe, cheap because they are 2nd class competitors, and sell them at a premium as 'executive protection' dogs and whatnot. :rolleyes:

Besides, you'd have to be nuts to sell a protection trained dog to some family with absolutely no training or handling experience.
 

TurboK9

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No dog is worth 5 figures much less 6.

Exactly. The most I ever sold a trained dog for was $8500. If you start with a good dog, it really does not take much, proper protection training is simply advanced obedience. Teaching a good dog to bite/release on command is really no different than teaching fetch and drop it. The hardest part is getting them past the natural inhibition of biting man, which is why it really helps to start with a good, well balanced dog.

What is funny to me is that many of these places use almost exclusively, herders, such as the GSD and Mal. They are sport dogs with sport training, trained to 'go get' the bad guy. Very high prey drive dogs, makes them easy to train from a sport or police perspective (pattern training). For personal protection or security work, one is better off IMHO with a defensive dog, one trained to stand it's ground and protect the family, not chase down a fleeing bad guy. Different training methodology entirely, but don't expect anyone selling sport dogs as protection dogs to admit that, :roflmao:.
 

TurboK9

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I would think they would provide training to the family as part of a package deal included in the purchase price?

Speaking of dogs with jobs. I'd like to take advantage of my boys good nature and maybe use him as part of a social time visit to area facilities. How does one look into that to get started with the process? Every time he sees a new person he gets excited and wags his tail and wants to be petted. I think that would make him perfect for visits to assisted living and nursing home type facilities. What do you think? Is it too much trouble to try to get into that?

Yeah some places do that. But the point really is that they buy these dogs trained from Europe for 2-10k, then sell the dog for 50+K. 2 weeks of training is NOT worth 40K, LOL. Besides, you don't become a good handler through a crash course. These people they sell to would be MUCH better off buying a dog, and training it themselves with the assistance of a trainer or club, then they learn to actually understand....

Don't ecptect to actually get paid, LOL. First, look into local orgs that will help you train and prepare and maybe certify. Then you need to look into getting involved with a group or maybe ask around at nursing homes, etc.
 

hvp05

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For personal protection or security work, one is better off IMHO with a defensive dog, one trained to stand it's ground and protect the family, not chase down a fleeing bad guy. Different training methodology entirely...
That's interesting. I want a GSD because they are big, beautiful, loyal dogs, but additionally, I have always thought - as most people do - one would be great at protection/defense.

What kinds would you suggest more strongly?


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toppick08

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Well,...Rotties are herders too....:shrug:, and they seem to get one's attention along with GSD also....Chessies will also put you back in the truck quickly...:lol:
 

ArkRescue

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Oh no this would be totally volunteer. I am sure my boy would excel at making people feel good by how he wags his tail and gets so happy to meet people.

Do you know the name of any of the local groups?

Don't ecptect to actually get paid, LOL. First, look into local orgs that will help you train and prepare and maybe certify. Then you need to look into getting involved with a group or maybe ask around at nursing homes, etc.
 

TurboK9

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That's interesting. I want a GSD because they are big, beautiful, loyal dogs, but additionally, I have always thought - as most people do - one would be great at protection/defense.

What kinds would you suggest more strongly?


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GSD's can excel at both. With many breeds it comes down to training. My point was that they focus on the prey drive of these breeds, and never develop their defense. They train as if training for LEO or sport work, which is typically 'apprehension', and depends heavily on prey behavior for training purposes.... chase down and hold. One of the things the sport world emphasizes is a prey-type bite. They teach the dog to bite, deep and all the way to the back of the mouth, and hang on, even if it means dangling in the air. This is a sport derived style, initiating with Schutzhund, and was popularized as the 'proper' way for a dog to bite when the training was marketed to Law Enforcement in the 60s and 70s. Schutzhund, however, was never intended for practical exercise. It was to show the trainability of the GSD, not to be used as an indicator of practical purpose or working efficiency.

A protection dog should fight, not just bite, and the training needs to put the dog on the defensive, where the bad guy is an actual threat to be defeated, not simply a prey object to be held. Prey drive is satisfied when the object or target is in the mouth. Defense dictates the object either be destroyed as a threat or leaves the area. GSD's typically do not suffer from this, but many other breeds not bred for defense drive will flee rather than fight when faced with a real, aggressive, threat display.

A protection dog's job is not to run down someone who is running away. It is to counter an incoming threat, and either destroy it, or tie it up long enough that you can get the fam safely away. This means the dog may have to enter into a protracted battle with the most dangerous of all predators, man. If the dog is trained to bite and hang, he's going to be in for a shock when the cranked up bad dude starts wailing on him and attacking as if the dog is the prey object.

I've seen IPO III and LEO dogs blow their anal glands in fear when treated like the prey. The dog needs to be conditioned to face an entirely different circumstance than sport and LEO dogs are trained for.

When I meantioned breed, that was because typically, but not always, certain breeds tend to be more defensive while others are higher in prey. Rotties tend to be defensive... they may be 'herders' to some people, but that is a misnomer. Being used for Cattle, they have to be defensive. Facing down a Bull or protecting a cow from something big enough to predate on it, is a wee different from the same with sheep....

Boerbels, Presas, Dobes, AB's, etc tend to have more defensive traits. When a prey driven dog bites, it bites and hangs on. In defense drive, a dog will fight rather than simply bite... the hit over and over, move around the body, and cause as much damage as they can. Picture the difference between having a dog latch onto an arm or leg and just clamp down, biting and hanging on to one location, and a dog that hits an arm, kill shakes, tears it's teeth through the skin, hits a leg, hits the other arm, etc ripping flesh and muscle with inch long canines... Which one is more likely to bring the bastiche down?

Just like there is a difference between how a cop fights to restrain a perp and how a Soldier fights to destroy the baddy, there are different ways of fighting for dogs as well, depending upon the goal.

Forget the fact that if you send a dog on someone who is running away you are in big trouble. :biggrin:
 

TurboK9

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Well,...Rotties are herders too....:shrug:, and they seem to get one's attention along with GSD also....Chessies will also put you back in the truck quickly...:lol:

Rotties are Cattle dogs. Big difference between being bred to herd sheep and tend cattle. You will also see maybe two in all of French Ring, and perhaps a handfull in IPO and Schutzund, and I don't think a single one on LEO rosters as patrol dogs. They have low prey drive compared to Mals and GSDs. There is a reason for that, :biggrin:

Big difference between chasing someone who isn't willing to fight a dog back into their vehicle, and someone with murder in their eyes willing to get a little bit up to murder your family and steal your stuff... :lmao:

People commonly and mistakenly think that because their dog barks at strangers it will protect them. The game changes fast when the target of the dog turns into the aggressor. When that dog gets in the way, and that murderous intent turns to it, many dogs that once seemed protective are suddenly staring at something intent on 'devouring' them and suddenly it is fight or flight... for many, this is where the anal glands come into play, :roflmao: Point being, it's like having a gun that you don't know will work or not. There are ways to ensure that the dog will actually do the job.

That brings to mind one of the other issues with sport training... the bad guy is always geared up, either a suit or sleeve. The same holds for LEO work. Remove the gear, and you just don't know if the dog will bite or not the first time out. Some get so conditioned to the gear they get confused when there is no suit or sleeve, and it can result in some obvious problems.
 
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TurboK9

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Oh no this would be totally volunteer. I am sure my boy would excel at making people feel good by how he wags his tail and gets so happy to meet people.

Do you know the name of any of the local groups?

Nope.

I used to bring old Caber to the nursing home where my mom's husband was at, but that was in FL and I did it on my own.

:shrug:

Google rocks though. Therapy Dogs Program
 

ArkRescue

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Thank you so much - I am looking forward to being a part of such a great program. I love to do meaningful volunteer work, and I know my boy will excel at interacting with people.

My best friend does Pets On Wheels on the Eastern Shore. Not sure where you're located but they have a Charles and St. Mary's program. Charles County Pets on Wheels

It says just Charles County, but on Maryland Therapy Animals ~ Pets On Wheels ~ MarylandPet.com it's listed as Charles and St. Mary's.
 

libertytyranny

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My little guy was sup to protect me and the babee..but he's terrible at it. We want him to warning bark and look scary when strangers come near the house...instead he greets them with a wag and a smile :cds: And the other day the pizza guy knocked ont he door...he followed me down the steps and I thought he was getting the idea..but he just wanted a piece of pizza :geek:
 

TurboK9

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My little guy was sup to protect me and the babee..but he's terrible at it. We want him to warning bark and look scary when strangers come near the house...instead he greets them with a wag and a smile :cds: And the other day the pizza guy knocked ont he door...he followed me down the steps and I thought he was getting the idea..but he just wanted a piece of pizza :geek:

Hahaha!! :yay:

This is what training is for. :yay:
 

libertytyranny

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Hahaha!! :yay:

This is what training is for. :yay:

How in the world do I train him to be wary of strangers, without teaching him to hate people? :killingme he is still a baby just yet, and has just recently started to be alert when he hears noises outside..so I'm hoping it's coming. Hes just too damn friendly and sweet. good for nothing mongrol.
 
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