H1B Visa Drama
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Elon and Vivek accidentally chewed through a high power line yesterday, and social media has been on fire ever since. The battle lines of a fierce war between conservatives are shaping up. Today’s post focuses not on the debate’s issue, but on the character of the debate itself — and how this is MAGA’s first major challenge from the deep-state. Then we’ll discuss ways to fight back and hold recent gains rather than pop! like the Tea Party bubble.
Corporate media was beside itself. Rolling Stone ran its giddy story late yesterday afternoon under the headline, “Musk, Ramaswamy Face MAGA Uproar After Saying Tech Firms Need Foreign Workers.” But where did the ‘uproar’ really come from? Was it really from Elon and Vivek, or did it originate in some security state skunkworks?
It all started yesterday when Elon tweeted about H1-B visas. He should know, since he owns a handful of companies that depend on the visas. Elon’s perfectly predictable point was that as a tech owner, in his view there is a shortage of top engineering talent among native Americans, and so in the short run it would make American companies more competitive if they have temporary work visas for engineering hires.
In other words, Elon was advocating, at least in part, for the legal immigration of highly qualified, very productive people, from Elon’s perspective of owning a tech company.
Based on the ferocious response, you would have thought Elon called for opening the borders even wider, or for mandatory mint flavoring to be added to all commercially sold ice cream, ruining it (of course), or something even worse, like saying UFO’s don’t exist. Familiar conservative accounts tore Elon a new one, calling him woke, stupid, and nappy-headed, and screamed he should be deported back to South Africa on the first available flight. More than one conservative influencer demanded Elon be immediately ‘fired’ from his volunteer job with the Department of Government Efficiency.
It was the best news ever for corporate media. Finally, an immigration hammer to hand conservatives so they could beat each other to death. Here’s how Rolling Stone gleefully described the burgeoning red-on-red controversy. It began with Musk’s original comment:
In 2016, Trump did argue on CNN that the H1-B Visa is bad for workers, unfair, and should be ended (Clip: 0:24), but he’d used it before, because businesspeople must use the visas otherwise competitors will get an advantage. More recently, Trump has signaled that students graduating from American universities should automatically get a green card (Clip: 2:05). Trump did not weigh in yesterday.
Bottom line, Elon’s honeymoon is officially over, and the wedding party must swim back to the mainland through shark-infested waters. Elon’s stock with some MAGA types had clearly fallen below zero yesterday. Buying and freeing twitter? Who cares! Funding the Trump campaign? So what! Swinging Silicon Valley to MAGA? That’s old news! Elon favors H1-B work visas!
Now, you might think the argument over H1-B work visas is a pretty wonky and thinly sliced issue. You might think it is hardly the issue to torch the MAGA movement over. Stick with me. There’s a lot more to this, and it is dark.
Next, seeing his fellow DOGE-er being savaged in the comments, and noticing a lot of people were misunderstanding Elon’s point, Vivek Ramaswamy decided to spring to Elon’s defense. He landed right in the lion exhibit. Vivek uncharacteristically botched an obviously correct point about American culture not valuing STEM or academic achievement, not when compared to other cultures like Asians and (he should’ve omitted this one) Indians.
Vivek should have just said the American educational system has been hollowed out by wokeness so there are currently more good STEM graduates available from cultures that haven’t gone woke yet. But he went just that much further and things went sideways.
What followed next was some of the ugliest free speech you can imagine, with apparently respectable conservatives throwing around anti-Indian tropes so repugnant I won’t repeat them here. Think gas stations and motels and Apu from the Simpson’s and you’ll start to get the idea. People accused Vivek of racism, complained he smelled like Indian spices, and accused Vivek of wanting to replace Americans with his extended Indian family.
I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m hardly scratching the surface.
At some point in the afternoon, euphoric corporate media began piling on, triumphantly reporting the glorious Fall of Elon at the hands of “his own supporters.” It was the one time media failed to defend legal immigration. If anything, in its glee, corporate media even hinted darkly that H1-B visas might in fact be the worst thing ever, finding common cause with disgruntled anti-DOGE conservatives. Headline from the Washington Post:
Corporate media is so happy today.
www.coffeeandcovid.com
Corporate media was beside itself. Rolling Stone ran its giddy story late yesterday afternoon under the headline, “Musk, Ramaswamy Face MAGA Uproar After Saying Tech Firms Need Foreign Workers.” But where did the ‘uproar’ really come from? Was it really from Elon and Vivek, or did it originate in some security state skunkworks?
It all started yesterday when Elon tweeted about H1-B visas. He should know, since he owns a handful of companies that depend on the visas. Elon’s perfectly predictable point was that as a tech owner, in his view there is a shortage of top engineering talent among native Americans, and so in the short run it would make American companies more competitive if they have temporary work visas for engineering hires.
In other words, Elon was advocating, at least in part, for the legal immigration of highly qualified, very productive people, from Elon’s perspective of owning a tech company.
Based on the ferocious response, you would have thought Elon called for opening the borders even wider, or for mandatory mint flavoring to be added to all commercially sold ice cream, ruining it (of course), or something even worse, like saying UFO’s don’t exist. Familiar conservative accounts tore Elon a new one, calling him woke, stupid, and nappy-headed, and screamed he should be deported back to South Africa on the first available flight. More than one conservative influencer demanded Elon be immediately ‘fired’ from his volunteer job with the Department of Government Efficiency.
It was the best news ever for corporate media. Finally, an immigration hammer to hand conservatives so they could beat each other to death. Here’s how Rolling Stone gleefully described the burgeoning red-on-red controversy. It began with Musk’s original comment:
In 2016, Trump did argue on CNN that the H1-B Visa is bad for workers, unfair, and should be ended (Clip: 0:24), but he’d used it before, because businesspeople must use the visas otherwise competitors will get an advantage. More recently, Trump has signaled that students graduating from American universities should automatically get a green card (Clip: 2:05). Trump did not weigh in yesterday.
Bottom line, Elon’s honeymoon is officially over, and the wedding party must swim back to the mainland through shark-infested waters. Elon’s stock with some MAGA types had clearly fallen below zero yesterday. Buying and freeing twitter? Who cares! Funding the Trump campaign? So what! Swinging Silicon Valley to MAGA? That’s old news! Elon favors H1-B work visas!
Now, you might think the argument over H1-B work visas is a pretty wonky and thinly sliced issue. You might think it is hardly the issue to torch the MAGA movement over. Stick with me. There’s a lot more to this, and it is dark.
Next, seeing his fellow DOGE-er being savaged in the comments, and noticing a lot of people were misunderstanding Elon’s point, Vivek Ramaswamy decided to spring to Elon’s defense. He landed right in the lion exhibit. Vivek uncharacteristically botched an obviously correct point about American culture not valuing STEM or academic achievement, not when compared to other cultures like Asians and (he should’ve omitted this one) Indians.
Vivek should have just said the American educational system has been hollowed out by wokeness so there are currently more good STEM graduates available from cultures that haven’t gone woke yet. But he went just that much further and things went sideways.
What followed next was some of the ugliest free speech you can imagine, with apparently respectable conservatives throwing around anti-Indian tropes so repugnant I won’t repeat them here. Think gas stations and motels and Apu from the Simpson’s and you’ll start to get the idea. People accused Vivek of racism, complained he smelled like Indian spices, and accused Vivek of wanting to replace Americans with his extended Indian family.
I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m hardly scratching the surface.
At some point in the afternoon, euphoric corporate media began piling on, triumphantly reporting the glorious Fall of Elon at the hands of “his own supporters.” It was the one time media failed to defend legal immigration. If anything, in its glee, corporate media even hinted darkly that H1-B visas might in fact be the worst thing ever, finding common cause with disgruntled anti-DOGE conservatives. Headline from the Washington Post:
Corporate media is so happy today.
☕️ DOGE DAYS OF THE COLOR WAR ☙ Friday, December 27, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠
A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who's really behind it?
www.coffeeandcovid.com
The deep state’s favorite tool is the color revolution. A ‘color revolution’ is the non-kinetic military overthrow of a foreign government. It begins with the deep state destabilizing an entire society, resulting in massive protests, riots, and factional violence. This produces anger at the undesired foreign government and makes it unstable. When the targeted government finally falls, U.S. security and military personnel are ready to move in and establish a new, U.S.-friendly regime in the ashes of the government the people who live there democratically elected.
All the deep state needs is some sore issue, some disagreement that splits people down factional lines, a social nerve to be pressed down on, and a narrative to weaponize. It could be ethnic tensions, economic disparities, political corruption, billionaires, social grievances, or immigration policies. The key is finding raw material that can be stoked into an inferno. The agencies exploit these social divisions with scientific precision, pouring fuel on the growing flames through targeted misinformation campaigns, selective reporting, and strategic leaks.
Once peoples’ emotions are inflamed, the U.S. security state covertly funnels vast resources into NGO’s, protest movements, influencers, media, and opposition groups, ensuring that the small embers of discontent are fanned into a conflagration of widespread chaos. By the time the target government is overwhelmed by the crisis, the stage is set for intervention—framed, of course, as a noble act of peacekeeping or democracy-building.
This all occurs top-secretly, via classified operations conducted under the guise of supporting "freedom" or "democracy." The cycle culminates in regime change, with the new government always prioritizing U.S. strategic and economic interests. Local interests are completely irrelevant, don’t make me laugh.
The deep state ran a color revolution strategy against the Tea Parties, and look what happened. They’ve been trying for years to start one against MAGA, but so far they’ve been unsuccessful.
Yesterday, they finally had a breakthrough.
☕️ DOGE DAYS OF THE COLOR WAR ☙ Friday, December 27, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠
A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who's really behind it?
www.coffeeandcovid.com
Go out to Twix and look at the thread ... entry level job, after entry level after entry level job
glhs837
Power with Control
Yep, either intentional loophole bought and paid for by lobbyists, or stupid lawmaking that should have been fixed long ago. Like congressional stock trading. We all know its BS, but nobody can get it stopped.
BOP
Well-Known Member
Elon and Vivek accidentally chewed through a high power line yesterday, and social media has been on fire ever since. The battle lines of a fierce war between conservatives are shaping up. Today’s post focuses not on the debate’s issue, but on the character of the debate itself — and how this is MAGA’s first major challenge from the deep-state. Then we’ll discuss ways to fight back and hold recent gains rather than pop! like the Tea Party bubble.
Corporate media was beside itself. Rolling Stone ran its giddy story late yesterday afternoon under the headline, “Musk, Ramaswamy Face MAGA Uproar After Saying Tech Firms Need Foreign Workers.” But where did the ‘uproar’ really come from? Was it really from Elon and Vivek, or did it originate in some security state skunkworks?
It all started yesterday when Elon tweeted about H1-B visas. He should know, since he owns a handful of companies that depend on the visas. Elon’s perfectly predictable point was that as a tech owner, in his view there is a shortage of top engineering talent among native Americans, and so in the short run it would make American companies more competitive if they have temporary work visas for engineering hires.
In other words, Elon was advocating, at least in part, for the legal immigration of highly qualified, very productive people, from Elon’s perspective of owning a tech company.
Based on the ferocious response, you would have thought Elon called for opening the borders even wider, or for mandatory mint flavoring to be added to all commercially sold ice cream, ruining it (of course), or something even worse, like saying UFO’s don’t exist. Familiar conservative accounts tore Elon a new one, calling him woke, stupid, and nappy-headed, and screamed he should be deported back to South Africa on the first available flight. More than one conservative influencer demanded Elon be immediately ‘fired’ from his volunteer job with the Department of Government Efficiency.
It was the best news ever for corporate media. Finally, an immigration hammer to hand conservatives so they could beat each other to death. Here’s how Rolling Stone gleefully described the burgeoning red-on-red controversy. It began with Musk’s original comment:
In 2016, Trump did argue on CNN that the H1-B Visa is bad for workers, unfair, and should be ended (Clip: 0:24), but he’d used it before, because businesspeople must use the visas otherwise competitors will get an advantage. More recently, Trump has signaled that students graduating from American universities should automatically get a green card (Clip: 2:05). Trump did not weigh in yesterday.
Bottom line, Elon’s honeymoon is officially over, and the wedding party must swim back to the mainland through shark-infested waters. Elon’s stock with some MAGA types had clearly fallen below zero yesterday. Buying and freeing twitter? Who cares! Funding the Trump campaign? So what! Swinging Silicon Valley to MAGA? That’s old news! Elon favors H1-B work visas!
Now, you might think the argument over H1-B work visas is a pretty wonky and thinly sliced issue. You might think it is hardly the issue to torch the MAGA movement over. Stick with me. There’s a lot more to this, and it is dark.
Next, seeing his fellow DOGE-er being savaged in the comments, and noticing a lot of people were misunderstanding Elon’s point, Vivek Ramaswamy decided to spring to Elon’s defense. He landed right in the lion exhibit. Vivek uncharacteristically botched an obviously correct point about American culture not valuing STEM or academic achievement, not when compared to other cultures like Asians and (he should’ve omitted this one) Indians.
Vivek should have just said the American educational system has been hollowed out by wokeness so there are currently more good STEM graduates available from cultures that haven’t gone woke yet. But he went just that much further and things went sideways.
What followed next was some of the ugliest free speech you can imagine, with apparently respectable conservatives throwing around anti-Indian tropes so repugnant I won’t repeat them here. Think gas stations and motels and Apu from the Simpson’s and you’ll start to get the idea. People accused Vivek of racism, complained he smelled like Indian spices, and accused Vivek of wanting to replace Americans with his extended Indian family.
I wish I were exaggerating, but I’m hardly scratching the surface.
At some point in the afternoon, euphoric corporate media began piling on, triumphantly reporting the glorious Fall of Elon at the hands of “his own supporters.” It was the one time media failed to defend legal immigration. If anything, in its glee, corporate media even hinted darkly that H1-B visas might in fact be the worst thing ever, finding common cause with disgruntled anti-DOGE conservatives. Headline from the Washington Post:
Corporate media is so happy today.
☕️ DOGE DAYS OF THE COLOR WAR ☙ Friday, December 27, 2024 ☙ C&C NEWS 🦠
A war against MAGA is underway, and it is disguised as a Civil War against DOGE. But who's really behind it?
Vivek got in trouble for posting an obvious observation: Americans as a culture don't value education. We're not serious about it and we don't encourage it. Smart kids aren't popular, the dumb jock is.
People were all, "Oh how DARE you??" but it's the truth. The world doesn't need any more social media influencers, but I saw a thing the other day that said that's the #1 career goal for young women.
What Bop posted above is exactly correct. A friend will post a pic of her daughter all dolled up for prom, hair out to here, boobs practically hanging out, and when someone says, "Oh she's gorgeous!" the friend is all, "Her brain is gorgeous too." Well, Mom, you didn't post a pic of her doing something smart or kind or generous, you posted her boobs hanging out.
I'm not sure what the H1B visa drama is all about, but I wanted to bitch about this and it seemed appropriate in this thread.
People were all, "Oh how DARE you??" but it's the truth. The world doesn't need any more social media influencers, but I saw a thing the other day that said that's the #1 career goal for young women.
What Bop posted above is exactly correct. A friend will post a pic of her daughter all dolled up for prom, hair out to here, boobs practically hanging out, and when someone says, "Oh she's gorgeous!" the friend is all, "Her brain is gorgeous too." Well, Mom, you didn't post a pic of her doing something smart or kind or generous, you posted her boobs hanging out.
I'm not sure what the H1B visa drama is all about, but I wanted to bitch about this and it seemed appropriate in this thread.
Queue up the Sargon Video while you cook dinner tonight and have a listen ...
Carl does a great job laying it all out .... Lions vs Foxes [ Jocks vs Nerds ]
Instagram whores and Kardashian ARE NOT THE WORLD ....
and If India is pushing out people who are so smart / intelligent
Why aren't these people FIXING their own crap hole country
Hey! I know the answer to that!
Look at what "top universities" are churning out - dipshit activists who don't even know what they're talking about. That's not education, that's indoctrination. And those dipshit activists are a distraction for people who are there to get an education.