DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
And that is why you don't know... attend some Ranger or Special Forces training sometime. You can now purchase it online instead of joining the Army. Then you would understand what deadly force is and means.
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And that is why you don't know... attend some Ranger or Special Forces training sometime. You can now purchase it online instead of joining the Army. Then you would understand what deadly force is and means.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
WOW, so tell me..
Which one did you do? Are you a RANGER?? Or did you go further than all the way and get the Green Beret??
I'm VERY impressed.
Chris0nllyn
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I played Call of Duty once....
DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
Well, if I tell, I may have to k....... lol.
Let's just say more than 10 years in combat arms. I too had some pixie assignments and because of some personal hardships, had to end that career of a few yrs shy of mil retirement. Thought it was a good idea at the time... but you know what they say about hind-sight.
But I will agree with you that basic training in weapons and guns is minimal. Afterall, some never see a gun again except the annual qualifying. And qualifying at 300 meter target doesn't give too much room for accuracy. But I was more referring to many soldiers that move into advancement... and a majority is infantry (or similar) that train in deadly force, and what it is not.
Didn't mean to start a ruckess about it.. but it does disturb me when you have some folks crusading the old-baloney.. guns kill and never forget that! That irks me! Which subconsciously makes non-gun owners suspect that they are bad and only kill. Heck, a properly stabbed rose thorn can kill a person. And this is coming from a childhood and family that despised guns. Until I was 17 and off into the wild green yonder...
And as I referred to pulling guard duty... my soldiers were trained to know their general orders, including what is deadly force. Basics taught them to make the intruder stop and be recognized, and advanced until fully recognized... if they don't, you use head and insticts, but why would you want to blow their head off? Especially if they are not an immediate threat. I believe many civilian physical protection classes teach the same principle. A bullet, even a .22 in the leg will stop most thugs. And afterall, an M16 round is nearly a .22 size for those that believe a .22 isn't enough. Bottom line is... guns don't kill... the operator of that tool could. That's all...
Use of force and deadly force is a military specific rule of engagement and has no use or direct correlation to self defense in the civilian world.
I asked my CCW instructor in Virginia about use of force/deadly force and he just smiled and said "that works for the military, in the civilian world we have self defense. If your life is in danger, you protect yourself, we shoot to stop the threat and if the attacker dies as a result, that's a by product of us trying to stop the threat".
I stood my share of gate guard duty when stationed at Dam Neck and never, NEVER was I taught to "shoot someone in the leg to stop them". We shot center mass and kept shooting until the threat was neutralized. If there were multiple threats we engaged the closest one first then worked through to the furthest threat, then re-engaged the first threat again if needed.
Yes, an M-16/AR-15 shoots a .22 caliber bullet but it's not exactly the same as your typical .22LR round.
Most 22LR rounds are in the vicinity of 40grains. Maybe heavier for the subsonic rounds or CB longs. 55grains is the lowest weight that I know of that is widely available in the 5.56 load. In .223 loads it's not uncommon to find 40grain varmint rounds. Also, check the length of a .22LR projectile against the length of a .22 diameter projectile used in a .223 or 5.56 load. There is a difference.
I wouldn't hesitate to use a .22LR in self defense if that was all I could get my hands on at the time but it wouldn't be my first choice.
I asked my CCW instructor in Virginia about use of force/deadly force and he just smiled and said "that works for the military, in the civilian world we have self defense. If your life is in danger, you protect yourself, we shoot to stop the threat and if the attacker dies as a result, that's a by product of us trying to stop the threat".
I stood my share of gate guard duty when stationed at Dam Neck and never, NEVER was I taught to "shoot someone in the leg to stop them". We shot center mass and kept shooting until the threat was neutralized. If there were multiple threats we engaged the closest one first then worked through to the furthest threat, then re-engaged the first threat again if needed.
Yes, an M-16/AR-15 shoots a .22 caliber bullet but it's not exactly the same as your typical .22LR round.
Most 22LR rounds are in the vicinity of 40grains. Maybe heavier for the subsonic rounds or CB longs. 55grains is the lowest weight that I know of that is widely available in the 5.56 load. In .223 loads it's not uncommon to find 40grain varmint rounds. Also, check the length of a .22LR projectile against the length of a .22 diameter projectile used in a .223 or 5.56 load. There is a difference.
I wouldn't hesitate to use a .22LR in self defense if that was all I could get my hands on at the time but it wouldn't be my first choice.
Did. Had to. Before I went to the 'stan. My recollection of what I was taught are apparently fading..because they do not synch with your comments.
But hey..it was 20+ years ago...
DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
This response is to be expected from you...
But then again realizing your other posts, I am sure you are just happy with yourself. 'stan? Is that another fanasty shipwrecked island of yours?
B A L O N E Y ! ! !
Explain then, please?
DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
Explain what? Deadly force isn't just a military thing... sheesh! It is when you put a weapon in anyone's hand(s). Common sense schtuff... If your life seems threatened and you have a gun in your hand, how does one respond? Ok, to clarify (for some of the critics here), most combat arms training equips a person with logical actions or re-actions. Of course, not everyone gets it.. and that is why not everyone should own a weapon or be a combat arms soldier.
Yes, but they are not something one just whips out to scare off someone. So, if its out, you need to be ready to shoot it. And don't pull it out unless your going to shoot. Touchy situation for sure. Also, it needs to be big enough to get the job done in one or two, or three shots. A .38 has a lot of stopping power!
As far as getting a permit, it takes about 2 weeks. You need to complete an online course unless your retired military, then you get a pass.
Fill out the paperwork, take the course, pick up gun in a couple weeks.
Take a look at YouTube and see The Judge. It uses .410 shot gun shells AND .45 Cal Long bullets. Now THAT has stopping power!
DooDoo1402
The fear of Smell
Poor advice! Unless you are speaking to someone about to curry-comb the hillbilly cotton-gin fields of KY and their last name is hatfield.
To the OP. If they're interested in gun ownership, for whatever reason... get some pro advice and training. It's a weapon and can do serious harm if untrained. Even a pixie single shot .22 or pellet guns can do serious fatal harm or death. This public forum is not the place for that kind of advice. The Rambo crap is old news and wanna-be's will dream up all kinds of baloney.
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That is, if your adversary is a small bird or maybe a cowboy.