Help for Pier 450……

[Bird Dog]

 

[Bird Dog]

It’s where the old Schieble’s Fishing Center used to be….

 

[Gilligan]

I don't get it. When I had my liquor license, we had two outdoor serving bars and the entire waterfront grassy area was legal for drinking. No big deal to the liquor board then.

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

A variance? For outdoor seating? Why? Doesn't make sense. Need more information from these folks as to what is really going on.

 

[Bird Dog]

If I may ...

A variance? For outdoor seating? Why? Doesn't make sense. Need more information from these folks as to what is really going on.

Critical Area

 

[LightRoasted]

If I may ...

Critical Area

As is every restaurant within 1000 feet of a body of water. Still doesn't' make sense.

 

[Bird Dog]

Of course it doesn’t…….
if you’re not familiar with the facility it wouldn’t make any sense to comment on the issue at the hearing on either side..
This Thread was intended for people to come and support a local business.

 

[vraiblonde]

What's the problem here? Why can't they use their outdoor facilities?

Also, isn't it a little late in the game for this? I'd think these details would have been hammered out BEFORE the restaurant opened.

 

[Ken King]

I'd think these details would have been hammered out BEFORE the restaurant opened.

It all started when they made some form of error on their liquor license renewal, so they say. https://pier450.com/

 

[kwillia]

What's the problem here? Why can't they use their outdoor facilities?

Also, isn't it a little late in the game for this? I'd think these details would have been hammered out BEFORE the restaurant opened.

I believe this latest issue stems from the recent clean-up they did to the existing property. They removed all the debris from a dilapidated out-building and are repurposing the EXISTING concrete pad for additional outdoor seating. The county is deeming it 'new'.

 

[Gilligan]

Critical Area

My entire bar/restaurant property was Critical Area and all within 100' of the waterline.

 

[Gilligan]

I believe this latest issue stems from the recent clean-up they did to the existing property. They removed all the debris from a dilapidated out-building and are repurposing the EXISTING concrete pad for additional outdoor seating. The county is deeming it 'new'.

Ahh..that makes some sense. The licenses that include outdoor serving include a diagram with boundary. At least mine did. When we added the tiki bar to the outside deck, it was already covered by the existing license because it was on a deck that was within the permitted boundary.

Hope Pier 450 gets their approval.

 

[kom526]

I believe this latest issue stems from the recent clean-up they did to the existing property. They removed all the debris from a dilapidated out-building and are repurposing the EXISTING concrete pad for additional outdoor seating. The county is deeming it 'new'.

If they did not 'check the box' on the renewal for outdoor service is possible, or even a late submittal of the application. However, the county definitely has a hard on for this restaurant for some reason or another. Another restaurant that is dealing with some serious BS is Morris Point. Chris has an existing concrete pad that he puts a canopy over for outdoor dining. LUGM requires him to have a variance hearing every year to put his tent back up.

 

[Gilligan]

If they did not 'check the box' on the renewal for outdoor service is possible, or even a late submittal of the application. However, the county definitely has a hard on for this restaurant for some reason or another. Another restaurant that is dealing with some serious BS is Morris Point. Chris has an existing concrete pad that he puts a canopy over for outdoor dining. LUGM requires him to have a variance hearing every year to put his tent back up.

LUGM sure are full of themselves these days. Clearly they've forgotten their mission and who they work for.

 

[Gilligan]

I Another restaurant that is dealing with some serious BS is Morris Point. Chris has an existing concrete pad that he puts a canopy over for outdoor dining. LUGM requires him to have a variance hearing every year to put his tent back up.

I'm sure Frank had all the coverage he needed for selling us cold beer off the dock back in the day. At 2 am.

 

[Monello]

I hope they get whatever they need to operate the way they want. Some regs are useful. Over regulating cripples the economy.

 

[vraiblonde]

LUGM requires him to have a variance hearing every year to put his tent back up.

I hate that petty "look at me being important" chit. It's always these inapt goobers you wouldn't have run your McDonalds register flexing to bolster their low self-esteem.

 

[kom526]

LUGM sure are full of themselves these days. Clearly they've forgotten their mission and who they work for.

But the county is allegedly all in on fostering economic growth. The 1st and 7th are both underserved when it comes to dining options so for them to actively overburden, complicate and outright hinder these businesses is the antithesis of fostering growth. Here is a line from a MD House Bill concerning a commission I am on:

(8) PROVIDE LEADERSHIP FOR AND COORDINATE ECONOMIC
DEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES IN AND AROUND ST. MARY’S CITY TO PROMOTE
THE REGION FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS; AND

Seems to me like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.

 

[Gilligan]

Seems to me like the right hand doesn't know what the left is doing.

I'm not surprised.

Back when i had my waterfront establishment, we worked closely with other businesses that then existed in the 2nd and 9th to put on an annual celebration and "fair" to showcase everything the peninsula had to offer. This was back in the 90s...so there were a lot more destinations to showcase. The country economic and tourism development office was run by a very energetic young lady that helped us all out with all sorts of PR materials and advertising.

The liquor board worked with us back then..not against us. P&Z was only a minor nuisance compared to what they have today.

 

[tipsymcgee]

It states now on your liquor license reapplication that if you do not turn in properly, you may lose "grandfathered" approvals, such as drive-thrus, etc., which may be part of their seating. Or it could be that during COVID, restaurants were allowed to move things to outside seating without approval or penalty, and that has been clawed back now, I believe. And then there's also the fact that your seating is based on your septic capability. So could be either of those, I guess.

Yeah, LUGM calls themselves protecting critical area but they are far too harsh/petty with small business for sure.