Here we go again, it's only a matter of time

[FollowTheMoney]

Mother of GOD!!!!!
Does not exist!!!!!!

During concerts at Calvert Marine Museum's, e-cigarette users are relegated to the area designed for smokers. There are "No smoking, no vaping within 25 feet of seating area" signs all over.

 

[vraiblonde]

You all bought into the myths that the government shoved down our throats and presented as truth: that nicotine kills everything it touches and if you even come into contact with a single molecule of tobacco or its smoke you will DIE! a painful horrible death. You bought that, even though it is demonstrably not true - otherwise the Japanese would be extinct. You believed what "they" told you rather than what you knew and could see with your own eyes. You bought into it. You did that. You.

So now not only is smoking banned, but anything that *looks* like smoking is banned. If it looks like smoking, even though it's not, it will make children smoke. Candy cigarettes will cause horrible cancer deaths and toddlers will be mainlining clove cigarettes. Infants keeling over from emphysema because someone in Mommy's apartment building smoked while she was pregnant.

You bought that.

So now you get to enjoy the fruits (and veggies) of your labor, which is the iron fist of government ruling every aspect of your life. Because that is what it's about. Not smoking. Not vaping. Government control.

I hope you anti-smoking crazies who brought this on all of us are proud of yourselves. This what we get when we allow the insane to shape public policy.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

You all bought into the myths that the government shoved down our throats and presented as truth: that drugs kills everything it touches and if you even come into contact with a single molecule of drugs or its smoke you will DIE! a painful horrible death. You bought that, even though it is demonstrably not true - otherwise the hippies would be extinct. You believed what "they" told you rather than what you knew and could see with your own eyes. You bought into it. You did that. You.

So now not only is altering your mind banned, but anything that *looks* like drugs or paraphernalia is banned. If it looks like drugs, even though it's not, it will make children go crazy. Candy marijuana will cause horrible cancer deaths and toddlers will be mainlining marijuana infused cookies. Infants keeling over from hunger because someone in Mommy's apartment building smoked while she was pregnant.

You bought that.

So now you get to enjoy the fruits (and veggies) of your labor, which is the iron fist of government ruling every aspect of your life. Because that is what it's about. Not freedom to put into your own body what you wish. Not liberty. Government control.

I hope you anti-drug crazies who brought this on all of us are proud of yourselves. This what we get when we allow the insane to shape public policy.

The same could be said about drugs.

 

[kwillia]

You all bought into the myths that the government shoved down our throats and presented as truth: that nicotine kills everything it touches and if you even come into contact with a single molecule of tobacco or its smoke you will DIE! a painful horrible death. You bought that, even though it is demonstrably not true - otherwise the Japanese would be extinct. You believed what "they" told you rather than what you knew and could see with your own eyes. You bought into it. You did that. You.

So now not only is smoking banned, but anything that *looks* like smoking is banned. If it looks like smoking, even though it's not, it will make children smoke. Candy cigarettes will cause horrible cancer deaths and toddlers will be mainlining clove cigarettes. Infants keeling over from emphysema because someone in Mommy's apartment building smoked while she was pregnant.

You bought that.

So now you get to enjoy the fruits (and veggies) of your labor, which is the iron fist of government ruling every aspect of your life. Because that is what it's about. Not smoking. Not vaping. Government control.

I hope you anti-smoking crazies who brought this on all of us are proud of yourselves. This what we get when we allow the insane to shape public policy.

I do vividly recall you posting about how you saw this writing on the wall back then... you were spot on...

 

[Larry Gude]

Sadly, it's WE, The People, who need to remind them. Term limits would be a good way to start.

Terms limits are no more the answer than life time appointments. There is no rationale reason to not keep sending back a GOOD representative and, frankly, we, the people, have to put out the effort to go and send back X and Y and Z so, as a practical matters, we ARE sending back the people we WANT. That's why I approach this from the 'control' angle. We DO want to control one another.

 

[vraiblonde]

I do vividly recall you posting about how you saw this writing on the wall back then... you were spot on...

Yeah, I almost added I TOLD YOU SO!!! but decided to show some restraint.

 

[kwillia]

Yeah, I almost added I TOLD YOU SO!!! but decided to show some restraint.

Cariblue would have chimed in with that if she were still here...

 

[vraiblonde]

The same could be said about drugs.

It's not even close, and you are part of the problem with your nonsense. People die of drug overdoses every single day. It's probably the leading cause of premature death in rock stars and actors. It is clear and demonstrated that people OD and die. There is no ambiguity. I don't need the government to tell me or spin it to further their agenda because I can see it myself, and have seen it personally any number of times.

And I will also say, you pretend to be this Libertarian anti-government semi-anarchist, but by promoting drug legalization (and its subsequent increase in use) you are merely lobbying to make more government dependents. What happens when those druggies can't keep a job or a roof over their head? That's right: they come to Uncle Sugar with their hand out. It can't be a coincidence that so many who are on public assistance are also drug abusers.

Drug use is the same as liberalism: a temporary feel-good escape from reality that only makes the problem worse in the long run.

For your sake and the sake of your children, check yourself into rehab and get off the drugs.

 

[vraiblonde]

And let me add, Chris, that if it were just a matter of druggies doing their thing and not bothering me with it, I'd be perfectly okay and wouldn't give even flea on a hair on a rat's ass. But I know who's going to have to pay for the damage they do to themselves and society: people like me who TOLD YOU SO!!!

 

[Larry Gude]

It's not even close, and you are part of the problem with your nonsense. People die of drug overdoses every single day. It's probably the leading cause of premature death in rock stars and actors. It is clear and demonstrated that people OD and die. There is no ambiguity. I don't need the government to tell me or spin it to further their agenda because I can see it myself, and have seen it personally any number of times.

And I will also say, you pretend to be this Libertarian anti-government semi-anarchist, but by promoting drug legalization (and its subsequent increase in use) you are merely lobbying to make more government dependents. What happens when those druggies can't keep a job or a roof over their head? That's right: they come to Uncle Sugar with their hand out. It can't be a coincidence that so many who are on public assistance are also drug abusers.

Drug use is the same as liberalism: a temporary feel-good escape from reality that only makes the problem worse in the long run.

For your sake and the sake of your children, check yourself into rehab and get off the drugs.

That's crap. If we assert the right to protect your from yourself over drugs, ANY drugs, ANYTHING, then, it's simply a matter of degree to get to banning cigarettes and sugar and fat. Or e cigs.

The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any
member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm
to others. His own good, either physical or moral, is not a sufficient
warrant. -- John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty", 1859

To say that addicts will only become burdens on the society is to completely ignore the burden on society of drug ILL-legalization including law enforcement and jailing people as well as the violence and corruption prohibition breeds. And that is to say nothing of the moral burden of presuming that level of control over one another.

Plus, the vast majority of drug users do NOT just drop dead or become burdens. Drug use should be treated like anything else, including alcohol; your rights end where mine begin.

All you're arguing is matter of degree. E cigs; OK. Alcohol, OK. Cigarettes, OK. It can easily be argued that two of the three are bad for you AND become a burden on society.

You're being inconsistent on this, as is your right. But, you are being inconsistent.

 

[vraiblonde]

Drug use should be treated like anything else, including alcohol; your rights end where mine begin.

Everything should be like that. But it's not.

It just slays me, the crap we go crazy over in this country. Smoking is BAD!!! Drug use, though, that's okay. Oh, and being so fat that you can't even walk - that's okay, too. Drugs and obesity don't cause any health problems, just smoking.

It's stupid.

So sorry, druggies and fatties. You all should have thought about that when you were voting for smoking bans, 'cause paybacks are a bitch.

 

[vraiblonde]

You're being inconsistent on this, as is your right. But, you are being inconsistent.

Larry, they're freaking banning water vapor in public places.

Water vapor.

That is what they're banning.

Drugs? Have fun!

Big fat tubbies with their scooters and double plane seats? Go for it!

But *water vapor* is evil and must be banned.

I am not crazy; it is you people. I'm solid on that.

 

[vraiblonde]

In fact, I hope they do legalize all drugs across the board, no restrictions whatsoever. It makes me happy when I can say I TOLD YOU SO!!!

 

[Larry Gude]

Everything should be like that. But it's not.

It just slays me, the crap we go crazy over in this country. Smoking is BAD!!! Drug use, though, that's okay. Oh, and being so fat that you can't even walk - that's okay, too. Drugs and obesity don't cause any health problems, just smoking.

It's stupid.

So sorry, druggies and fatties. You all should have thought about that when you were voting for smoking bans, 'cause paybacks are a bitch.

Drugs DO cause problems. Major problems. We would be better off as a society if no one did them or, at least didn't do them to excess. However, prohibition only exacerbates the problems, not least which is the type of society we are.

That said, taking enjoyment in druggies and fatties getting paid back misses the point; now they're in the same boat as you, ie, persecuted. In your case as a smoker.
It's not reasonable to celebrate the misfortune of others, self inflicted as it may be, IF it doesn't benefit your situation, ie, reduce your persecution.

Put another way, if your ass is nailed to a cross over smoking, you're situation is not improved if they foist up a fatty on your right and a druggie on your left. Your situation only improves if you can get down in good shape and maybe that requires their help as opposed to saying "Ha!"

A bit biblical but, makes the point, yes?

 

[kwillia]

In fact, I hope they do legalize all drugs across the board, no restrictions whatsoever. It makes me happy when I can say I TOLD YOU SO!!!

Well, that would free up all the police so they can continue to arrest moms who let their kids walk to and play in the neighborhood playground unsupervised. More jail space for them too.

 

[Larry Gude]

Larry, they're freaking banning water vapor in public places.

Water vapor.

That is what they're banning.

Drugs? Have fun!

Big fat tubbies with their scooters and double plane seats? Go for it!

But *water vapor* is evil and must be banned.

I am not crazy; it is you people. I'm solid on that.

That's why I said 2/3.

It is a whole new level of WTF????? when some ####tard extraordinaire sees fit to ban them. But, it IS of a kind that says 'thou shalt not smoke real cigarettes in real bars with like minded folk' or 'thou shalt not do a doobie, brother..." or "Thou must wear a helmet to operate that contraption' and so forth. Or "Thou have hadest enough Mr. Pibb for one sitting..."

I guess we all feel so powerless it makes us more amenable to others being restricted???? However, that new famous quote site I found shows me this is NOTHING new under the sun.

 

[GURPS]

You all bought into the myths ...

as a former smoker - NOT I




you want to discuss Asbestos, Silicon Breast Implants, Radon ..... DDT

 

[Larry Gude]

Larry, they're freaking banning water vapor in public places.

Water vapor.

That is what they're banning.

Drugs? Have fun!

Big fat tubbies with their scooters and double plane seats? Go for it!

But *water vapor* is evil and must be banned.

I am not crazy; it is you people. I'm solid on that.

No, you are not crazy. It is pure kookery to want to ban E cigs. It is a whole other level of lonney tunes to actually do it.

 

[Larry Gude]

:n .. DDT

I'd love to discuss DDT.

GREAT chemical. Went to #### because ####tards started mis-using it. Same thing that is going on now with the bees and imidacloprids.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

It's not even close, and you are part of the problem with your nonsense. People die of drug overdoses every single day. It's probably the leading cause of premature death in rock stars and actors. It is clear and demonstrated that people OD and die. There is no ambiguity. I don't need the government to tell me or spin it to further their agenda because I can see it myself, and have seen it personally any number of times.

And I will also say, you pretend to be this Libertarian anti-government semi-anarchist, but by promoting drug legalization (and its subsequent increase in use) you are merely lobbying to make more government dependents. What happens when those druggies can't keep a job or a roof over their head? That's right: they come to Uncle Sugar with their hand out. It can't be a coincidence that so many who are on public assistance are also drug abusers.

Drug use is the same as liberalism: a temporary feel-good escape from reality that only makes the problem worse in the long run.

For your sake and the sake of your children, check yourself into rehab and get off the drugs.

And people don't die from direct ties to Nicotine?

People die from all sorts of things, every day. On a much grander scale than drugs (Including "legal" drugs such as alcohol and nicotine).

You rant a rave about people buying what the govt. says about nicotine because you have/had a vested interest in it. Now you're repeating anti-drug lines ad nauseum probably because you feel some druggie who broke in to your house. I get it, but your reasoning is way off, even on a fundamental level.

I'm pro-freedom. Freedom to choose what you put in your body. We have laws against robbery, and break-ins. Keeping drugs illegal has not curbed that, but what is has done is locked up and entire generation of people (mostly non-violent people), at the immense expense of tax payers.

So, while you want to argue that some people will become "dependent on Uncle Sugar" from drugs (while ignoring those same folks doing it now with alcohol) on top of the money we spend on this "war on drugs", I argue that money will be saved, and it should be treated like a health issue. Much like Portugal has done.

I'm sure the Mexican cartels agree with you though.

You know nothing about me, and my record is spotless. Please do not assume that because I advocate an end to this worthless war on drugs (that hasn't accomplished a damned thing) that I'm some drug addict. I work my ass off for what I have. I pay my taxes, and I'm a productive member of society.