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[Larry Gude]

I've seen scant evidence of such a thing.

The VERY vocal, deep and ongoing GOP resistance to Trump can NOT have been missed by DipStick. It simply can't have been.
I read stuff like that and start to ponder my existence. Do I live in some alternate reality? Does the writer? I mean, many things are a matter of perspective. To some, Hillary represents women. To others, she has betrayed them. I can at least see both viewpoints. I get it when some say Sanders is the crazy socialist the likes of which we've never seen and I get it when others point out how he really is nothing more, or less, than a New Deal type, very much not some unthinkable, new thing.

But, to read Trump is the establishment choice and has been for some time?

 

[DipStick]

The VERY vocal, deep and ongoing GOP resistance to Trump can NOT have been missed by DipStick. It simply can't have been.
I read stuff like that and start to ponder my existence. Do I live in some alternate reality? Does the writer? I mean, many things are a matter of perspective. To some, Hillary represents women. To others, she has betrayed them. I can at least see both viewpoints. I get it when some say Sanders is the crazy socialist the likes of which we've never seen and I get it when others point out how he really is nothing more, or less, than a New Deal type, very much not some unthinkable, new thing.

But, to read Trump is the establishment choice and has been for some time?

Joe Scarborough has been rallying the establishment behind Donald Trump for several months now. They were pretty firmly behind him in Iowa, before Rubio surged. When Rubio fizzles out tonight and Trump becomes the sure fire slam dunk nominee, they'll get behind him again.

Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and some of the top Republican pundits on television have been behind Donald Trump since day one.

Trump WILL be the nominee. The RNC won't do a thing to stop him, because they'll see a handful of liberals get behind him and think he will beat Hillary in an election. And to that point, I know a few liberals, authoritarian angry types who hate the media, hated Shrub and hate people like Rubio getting behind Trump. But for every one of them, there are two conservatives who won't vote for the guy. And conservatives outnumber liberals close to 2:1 in America.

November's going to be interesting. Part of me thinks Trump will win in a landslide, but another part of me doesn't see any logical way Trump can win. These are the primaries, so the vocal minorities are the ones voting. In large numbers, because people who vote for Republicans in generals but don't vote in primaries worship Trump.

The thing that's helped Trump A LOT is South Carolina voting to take down the racist pride/we hate America flag. People in the south are still pissed off about that and every single person I know who was angry about that flag is a Trumpie.

However, with a general electorate, Trump's only one Twitter insult, one offensive statement from losing the general election.

 

[Gilligan]

Joe Scarborough has been rallying the establishment behind Donald Trump for several months now.

...Joe Scarborough...advisor to the Republican establishment.

You funny guy.

 

[Gilligan]

People in the south are still pissed off about that and every single person I know who was angry about that flag is a Trumpie..

I'm very angry about the knee-jerk redaction of American history that is ongoing..and I'm definitely not a "Trumpie". How about that?

 

[DipStick]

I'm very angry about the knee-jerk redaction of American history that is ongoing..and I'm definitely not a "Trumpie". How about that?

We don't have monuments up for German soldiers, or North Korean soldiers?

South Carolina voted to take down a flag that, no matter how you twist this, was put up with racist intentions after a racist shot a bunch of black people in hopes of triggering a race war. It was how South Carolina came together to reject racism. And, having been to South Carolina and having a lot of friends down there, people have wanted that flag to come down for many years. People, black and white.

That flag is a symbol of people who don't want to be a part of our country. And Donald Trump is their "The South Will Rise Again" messiah.

And don't give me political correctness. Because southerners and conservatives are just as bad about it as liberals.

People like it when their side is politically incorrect. They don't like it when someone they disagree with is.

 

[Gilligan]

We don't have monuments up for German soldiers, or North Korean soldiers?

Why would we, you moron?..they are not Americans. If you knew the slightest bit about American history (you obviously do not) you would know that many of the southern states only ratified the Constitution and "joined the union", reluctantly, because they received assurances (many) that they could withdraw if they didn't find the union was working out for them. So they did that...

Like many children, you want to judge and evaluate the distant past using only your limited perspective based on "your" present.

 

[vraiblonde]

Joe Scarborough has been rallying the establishment behind Donald Trump for several months now.

You've lost it. Joe Scarborough is NOT establishment. He's not even particularly conservative. And he's certainly not influential with the GOP in any way.

 

[DipStick]

You've lost it. Joe Scarborough is NOT establishment. He's not even particularly conservative. And he's certainly not influential with the GOP in any way.

Morning Joe on MSNBC is the most influential daily program in politics. Among both parties. And Joe and Mika are Trumpies.

 

[vraiblonde]

Morning Joe on MSNBC is the most influential daily program in politics. Among both parties. And Joe and Mika are Trumpies.

They may be Trumpies, but they are NOT influential with the Republican party. What made you even think that?

 

[PrchJrkr]

They may be Trumpies, but they are NOT influential with the Republican party. What made you even think that?

 

[TheLibertonian]

Why would we, you moron?..they are not Americans. If you knew the slightest bit about American history (you obviously do not) you would know that many of the southern states only ratified the Constitution and "joined the union", reluctantly, because they received assurances (many) that they could withdraw if they didn't find the union was working out for them. So they did that...

Like many children, you want to judge and evaluate the distant past using only your limited perspective based on "your" present.

Flying the flag of a foreign country that declared war on us and led directly to the deaths of americans in front of an official state building is not the same as flying it on private property. I support the right of a private individual to fly whatever flag they want on their property; but the state governments do not have that right. They do not have the right to fly that flag on public land, because it is the flag of an enemy nation.

 

[Gilligan]

Flying the flag of a foreign country that declared war on us and led directly to the deaths of americans in front of an official state building

The north didn't have to start a war and invade the south...could have let the states secede as was their legal right to do.

 

[Larry Gude]

The north didn't have to start a war and invade the south...could have let the states secede as was their legal right to do.

The south didn't have to fire on and attack numerous federal installations. They swung first. Several times. Before Sumter

 

[TheLibertonian]

The north didn't have to start a war and invade the south...could have let the states secede as was their legal right to do.

Who shot first.

And don't give me that "Fort Sumter was in their land" BS. Fort Sumter was federal land. Unless you support the cubans invading and taking over Guantanamo Bay, because it's the exact same thing.

Had the Confederate government perhaps attempted negotiations to buy back federal land rather then trying to eminent domain it, that might stand up, but they didn't. They seceded without negotiation and then tried to seize U.S. territory.

 

[Larry Gude]

Morning Joe on MSNBC is the most influential daily program in politics. Among both parties. And Joe and Mika are Trumpies.

True. Yet that is not the same as claiming he is THE gop establishment. Msnbc is not the center of gravity on the establishment right.

 

[Larry Gude]

Who shot first.

And don't give me that "Fort Sumter was in their land" BS. Fort Sumter was federal land. Unless you support the cubans invading and taking over Guantanamo Bay, because it's the exact same thing.

Had the Confederate government perhaps attempted negotiations to buy back federal land rather then trying to eminent domain it, that might stand up, but they didn't. They seceded without negotiation and then tried to seize U.S. territory.

The gummint wanted to. Hit headed palmetto state knot heads were the problem. Davis was desperately dancing with Lincoln to avoid starting it. He failed.

 

[Gilligan]

W

Had the Confederate government perhaps attempted negotiations .

You are clueless. It was southern states that individually and one by one seceded. They did eventually come together to form the CSA...later on. Many/most of those same states only reluctantly joined the union some 75 years earlier, armed with promises of "you can just leave if it's not working out for you".

So leave they did.

 

[Gilligan]

Msnbc is not the center of gravity on the establishment right.

...talk about yr understatements....

 

[Tilted]

To update my thoughts some after looking through the Super Tuesday results...

First, I'd say that I'm even more sure now that if Mr. Trump gets the majority of delegates that he needs to win the Republican nomination he'll get beat in the general election. There's of course always the possibility of something crazy happening - e.g., Mrs. Clinton being hauled of a debate stage in handcuffs - that could change that. But without a major game changer (not necessarily quite that major, but pretty major), he wouldn't win a general election.

Second, it is indeed possible that Mr. Trump could get a majority of the delegates without garnering support from the majority even of Republican primary voters. He's not that far off having a majority of the delegates won so far even though he's only gotten about 34% of the votes cast so far, and that's with most states so far having been proportional or winner-take-most (e.g. with minimums to get any delegates). A lot of the states from here on, including some very big ones, are winner-take-all. So he could continue to get 35 - 40% of the votes and still end up with most of the delegates. In this case, the way the rules are set up works in his favor. Mr. Carson leaving the race hurts him just a little bit, but I wouldn't count on Mr. Cruz or Mr. Rubio or even Mr. Kasich dropping out anytime soon. So Mr. Trump could end up with the nomination without having demonstrated that he has majority support among Republican primary voters (let alone among Republicans in general).

Third, I think the die is already cast on this point: The Republican party comes out of this election cycle badly damaged (maybe that's a good thing, maybe not - I guess it depends on how you look at the situation), regardless of whether Mr. Trump gets the nomination.

I'll expound on that last point later, I have to run for now.

 

[PsyOps]

To update my thoughts some after looking through the Super Tuesday results...

First, I'd say that I'm even more sure now that if Mr. Trump gets the majority of delegates that he needs to win the Republican nomination he'll get beat in the general election. There's of course always the possibility of something crazy happening - e.g., Mrs. Clinton being hauled of a debate stage in handcuffs - that could change that. But without a major game changer (not necessarily quite that major, but pretty major), he wouldn't win a general election.

I'm not sure what you rely on to tell you this, but it jives with the Real Clear Politics averages. In fact, not one of the GOP candidates wins against Clinton or Sanders. But the one thing that's sticking in my head is dem vs GOP turnout on Super Tuesday. For the GOP, the turnout was at an all-time high, whereas for the democrats was significantly lower than 2012 and 2008; which obviously means there is far more excitement in the GOP than the Democrat Party. How does this play out in the general. Analysts speculate most democrats will stay home in November; whereas the GOP will have record turnout. Others speculate many (if not most) of the Sanders supporters reject Clinton and would likely move to Trump.

We'll see.