Hollywood rape survivor refuses to be labeled a victim

[fttrsbeerwench]

It's not that kind of world.....


Nope.... Not when people don't care.

 

[Chain729]

It's not that kind of world.....


Nope.... Not when people don't care.

Let's try an analogy:

I turn the stove on. I consciously stick my hand on the stove, thus burning the crap out of it. If I walk over to you and show you my burnt hand, are you going to have sympathy for me? Seeing as how my hand is burnt from my own stupidity, I'd hope not.

Now, I'm all for making these guys genderless with a torch for their actions. However, I can't have sympathy for an adult with an IQ over 70, that purposely puts themselves in a foolish position, and then wonders why they get hurt. How can both be true? As Vrai said, its called holding people responsible for their actions.

 

[Chain729]

Victims become survivors. It is a mindset change. A person has to decide whether to stay a victim or become a survivor. I have been both. I have seen both traits. You can be victimized, but honestly, you can move from that place of fear and hopelessness to a state of "I am not going to let this event (whatever it may be) steal my joy, my life and my future". Good for you migtig! Not only did you fight back but you also moved on. Ignorant people say a lot of dumb things about a lot of stuff they know nothing about. You are not one of them.

That's what you hope happens. Of course, you also hope that they not only heal emotionally and mentally, but that they learn to take better care of themselves. I find it interesting that with all the women in the world, so many of the "victims" have been victimized more than once. There's a whole psychology discussion behind it, but I'll save that for another day.

On the other hand, some people think they're survivors... but turn into crazy borderlines that never really got past crap and end up driving all those that they get close to up the freakin' wall.... That's another discussion as well...


NOTE: Not all borderlines are that bad. I'm not trying to offend anyone, just a bit upset with someone at the moment.

 

[Bronwyn]

Oh wait... that would be considered CRUEL & UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT ...

The Supreme Court opened the door Monday to new constitutional challenges to lethal injection, the method used by most states and the federal government to execute death row inmates.

In an unanimous decision, the court allowed those condemned to die to make last-minute claims that the chemicals used are too painful — and therefore amount to cruel and unusual punishment in violation of the Constitution’s Eighth Amendment.

I know this is off topic from rape...
But if lethal injection is painful to the point that courts are considering throwing it out the window...
Don't they have ways of making people not feel pain? Even if they had to knock them out with some laughing gas or whatever?
Surgery is painful to, that's why they put you to sleep. Is there something in the law that says a death row inmate has to be awake an alert when put to death?

 

[Agee]

Not to be unsympathetic, but women who get drunk and pass out in an isolated area are asking for trouble and can't be too surprised when they find it.

She said she walked to the beach early Wednesday morning to relax and meditate, as she has routinely done for the past year since moving to the area.

But that night she fell asleep next to a lifeguard stand, as she's done many times before, she said.

She said many of the comments speculated that she was drunk or homeless, but she said she was neither.

Reading a bit more into the story, than was actually there. Good on here for fighting back, castrate the heathens!

 

[fttrsbeerwench]

Let's try an analogy:

I turn the stove on. I consciously stick my hand on the stove, thus burning the crap out of it. If I walk over to you and show you my burnt hand, are you going to have sympathy for me? Seeing as how my hand is burnt from my own stupidity, I'd hope not.

Now, I'm all for making these guys genderless with a torch for their actions. However, I can't have sympathy for an adult with an IQ over 70, that purposely puts themselves in a foolish position, and then wonders why they get hurt. How can both be true? As Vrai said, its called holding people responsible for their actions.

I might you in the head for being a dingdong, but I'll still doctor you up. I think that's called empathy.
You can not equate purposely burning your hand to being raped by three strangers..Doing something stupid is simply stupid. This woman may not have acted cautiously, but she had no control over the three men who violated her.

I'm not trying to say that this woman hadn't placed herself in a dangerous situation, nor and I implying that her assailants weren't low-life POS who shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

What I meant was that we are all responsible for the state this world is in, this includes those who write her off as stupid and say she deserved to get raped because she was stupid.. WRONG! Rape is wrong, incest is wrong, murder is wrong. Period.
It's that disconnected additude that makes it ok for rape and murder to happen in the first place.

Here's some examples:

Not me, not my problem.
I'm not black, so I don't care..
They are black so they deserve it.
She was dressed like a whore...
They live in a trailer park...
Being poor makes you worthless...


Being self-absorbed and forgetting compassion, you are not human... You are animals.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

If I'd found her, I'd have punched her to teach her a lesson. But I don't think teaching her a lesson was what these guys were after.

Nope...

Personally I think rape should constitute use of the death penalty 1st offense. Most people will get what 5 years 1st offense and go out and do it again. I'd rather see someone who's raped someone else more than one time put to death more than I would Scott Peterson.

 

[Tinkerbell]

It seems to me that it was a crime of opportunity. These three guys didn't go out looking to rape someone. They got off work, saw the chick on the beach and said "Hey! I've got an (stupid) idea..." Now, she caused the opportunity to exist by her poor judgement. What the guys did was wrong, and they should be punished, but shouldn't she be somewhat responsible for her actions? If she hadn't been there in the first place, it wouldn't have happened and tax payers dollars wouldn't be dealing with this and she wouldn't be dealing with rape. I thought I'd seen before where "victims" were punished because their actions caused them to be "victims." :shrug:

Hmmm... I'll have to google....

 

[Chain729]

I might you in the head for being a dingdong, but I'll still doctor you up. I think that's called empathy.
You can not equate purposely burning your hand to being raped by three strangers..Doing something stupid is simply stupid. This woman may not have acted cautiously, but she had no control over the three men who violated her.

I'm not trying to say that this woman hadn't placed herself in a dangerous situation, nor and I implying that her assailants weren't low-life POS who shouldn't be allowed to breathe.

What I meant was that we are all responsible for the state this world is in, this includes those who write her off as stupid and say she deserved to get raped because she was stupid.. WRONG! Rape is wrong, incest is wrong, murder is wrong. Period.
It's that disconnected additude that makes it ok for rape and murder to happen in the first place.

Here's some examples:

Not me, not my problem.
I'm not black, so I don't care..
They are black so they deserve it.
She was dressed like a whore...
They live in a trailer park...
Being poor makes you worthless...


Being self-absorbed and forgetting compassion, you are not human... You are animals.

Call it as you like, but I don't see it as "disconnected" or saying that rape is OK. As a matter of fact, I said that these 3 men should become genderless via torch.

I perfectly understand that this woman could not control the actions of the three men. However, she could control her own. Are you really going to tell me that it was a wise descision to sleep on an isolated beach, alone, at night?

In all honesty, I would have compassion for someone in the same position, even given the stupidity/foolishness of being in an isolated place, alone, at night, asleep, etc. IF this had been the first she was a victim. You'd think that after being assualted a first time, she'd be more cautious. You'd think that after being assualted a first time, she'd know better than to ignore a series of conditions that would make it foolish for her to be there. But there-in lies the problem: She didn't think.

I wonder how many women are in that neighborhood that haven't been raped simply because they weren't stupid enough to do what she did...

As for having sympathy for the stupid/foolish; I simply don't have that kind of care left in me. I spent last weekend- which was originally planned as a vacation- burying two family members that died in a house fire. One of which is now with 3 of his sons (including my father). The other is now with 2 of his brothers (including my father) and left behind a wife and 4 daughters- trying to rescue his dad.

I've also spent too much of my life listening to and trying to help people that b&m about problems that were the results of their own foolishness. I've watched too many people I cared for destroy their lives and subsequently the lives of their children becuase of their own foolishness (2 cousins and a few old friends come to mind). I'm done giving a crap about what happens to some foolish schmuck.

 

[vraiblonde]

Reading a bit more into the story, than was actually there.

Well, whatever. It's even worse if she was lucid and put herself in a potentially dangerous situation.

 

[vraiblonde]

I've also spent too much of my life listening to and trying to help people that b&m about problems that were the results of their own foolishness. I've watched too many people I cared for destroy their lives and subsequently the lives of their children becuase of their own foolishness (2 cousins and a few old friends come to mind). I'm done giving a crap about what happens to some foolish schmuck.

Preach brothah

 

[Agee]

Well, whatever. It's even worse if she was lucid and put herself in a potentially dangerous situation.

Perhaps...
It appears, that to her, being out on the beach alone during that part of the day was just normal routine. Unfortuately, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and learned a lesson in the worst way.

What the hell has happened to respect in this country? Can't even fall asleep on a deserted beach!

 

[vraiblonde]

Can't even fall asleep on a deserted beach!

If you can guarantee that the beach is, in fact, deserted, then you can fall asleep all you want.

Apparently this beach wasn't deserted.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Suppose she was hiking on a trail in daylight and this happened. Still her fault?

 

[chernmax]

We are here now...

 

[Agee]

We are here now...

Poor horse, just lying down for a rest and some ingrate with a stick comes along

 

[vraiblonde]

Suppose she was hiking on a trail in daylight and this happened. Still her fault?

Nope.

And if she were walking down a street in broad daylight and got attacked, not her fault.

Nor is it her fault if she were babysitting her neighbor's chihuahua and someone broke into the house and raped her.

It's not even her fault if she was at the zoo and an orangutan broke out of its cage and assaulted her.

However, it IS her fault if she uses poor judgement and puts herself in harm's way. I don't know how she grew up, but my Mom always told me not to hitchhike, not to go to parties where packs of guys were drinking, and not to be alone in an isolated area.

Maybe her Ma didn't tell her these things.

 

[chernmax]

Poor horse, just lying down for a rest and some ingrate with a stick comes along

Yes, it's a hard lesson and the horse will learn from it!!!

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Nope. and not to be alone in an isolated area. Maybe her Ma didn't tell her these things.

But when out hiking, you could easily end up alone in an isolated area. :shrug: Should wimmins not go hiking because some horny thug may rape her?

 

[vraiblonde]

Should wimmins not go hiking because some horny thug may rape her?

Women should not go hiking or jogging alone in unpopulated areas. That's a basic rule of safety.

And, frankly, this is all you MEN'S faults. If it weren't for you people, women could do whatever they pleased and be completely safe.

So there.