Holocaust deniers, yes; inciters of violence, no

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
That's where my headline comes into play, and of course because it's my policy I think it's the perfect way to handle things and don't understand why other social media outlets are having such a hard time.
And as long as it is your policy you can do it. But thinking about that a bit, wouldn't someone have to post material that you object to first, thereby your actions would be a consequence of their exercise of free speech. Unless, of course, you can figure out who is going to do it and ban them first.
 

DLScott

Member
No limits at all? As in, would someone be able to go into a Chick-Fil-A and start screaming profanity and there's nothing CFA could do about it? Could they come on here and solicit pedophiles to their kiddie rape group and I couldn't ban them or even remove their posts?
If it is owned by you, it’s your rules. Just like no one can come into your house and act like a Jack Ask-me-no-questions , and say offensive crap and expect to either be standing or not made to leave. The first amendment is about our right to free speech and protecting us from the government that could try and limit it. It has nothing to do with private property and privately owned business.
 
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vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
If this is owned by you, it’s your rules. Just like no one can come into your house and act like a Jack Ask-me-no-questions , and say offensive crap and expect to either be standing or not made to leave. The first amendment is about our right to free speech being protect from the government. It has nothing to do with private property and privately owned business.

But what about when it's a major news outlet, or a behemoth social media venue, or a giant pervasive search engine? As in, does that mean ABC/NBC/CBS can only deliver news it agrees with politically and refuse to have Republicans on their shows? And Twitter can ban any opinions or research they don't like? And Google can censor search results to not show anything that makes the Democrats look bad?

Those entities started off with the premise of fairness and no political agenda, and then when they got so big they were a part of our everyday lives they switched it up to become propaganda. And they say, "If you don't like it, go somewhere else" but they've taken over the market to the point that there's nowhere else to go.

Bank of America can and does refuse service to businesses they don't like, such as gun manufacturers. There are a number of major financial players that won't provide service to businesses they don't like. Your bank can dump you if you post something that offends them on Facebook, and hospitals won't treat you if you haven't gotten the covid vaccine.

So on one hand we can say, "Leave it up to individuals and privately owned entities to determine what speech or behavior they find acceptable;" but on the other hand that gives them immense political power that doesn't even teeter on the brink of fascism - it IS fascism.

Something to consider. We can say "let the business decide" but keep in mind that they don't find pedophiles or drug traffickers or rioters offensive, but they ARE offended by ghastly scary Trump voters and Republicans in general.

And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelation 13:16-17

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DLScott

Member
But what about when it's a major news outlet, or a behemoth social media venue, or a giant pervasive search engine? As in, does that mean ABC/NBC/CBS can only deliver news it agrees with politically and refuse to have Republicans on their shows? And Twitter can ban any opinions or research they don't like? And Google can censor search results to not show anything that makes the Democrats look bad?

Those entities started off with the premise of fairness and no political agenda, and then when they got so big they were a part of our everyday lives they switched it up to become propaganda. And they say, "If you don't like it, go somewhere else" but they've taken over the market to the point that there's nowhere else to go.

Bank of America can and does refuse service to businesses they don't like, such as gun manufacturers. There are a number of major financial players that won't provide service to businesses they don't like. Your bank can dump you if you post something that offends them on Facebook, and hospitals won't treat you if you haven't gotten the covid vaccine.

So on one hand we can say, "Leave it up to individuals and privately owned entities to determine what speech or behavior they find acceptable;" but on the other hand that gives them immense political power that doesn't even teeter on the brink of fascism - it IS fascism.

Something to consider. We can say "let the business decide" but keep in mind that they don't find pedophiles or drug traffickers or rioters offensive, but they ARE offended by ghastly scary Trump voters and Republicans in general.

And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark— the name of the beast or the number of its name. Revelation 13:16-17

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Hi, I totally get what you are saying. And you have good concerns. But those are all corporations, and we subscribe to a free enterprise system, right?

You mentioned the press. Perfect. The big case we are following right now is the Depp. Vs. Heard anti defamation lawsuit. So many think it is about domestic violence. It is not. Depp is suing Heard for her OPINION EDITORIAL in the POST. Depp’s name was not mentioned. If Depp wins , a legal precedent will be set on what opinion editorials can legal have. A huge history making bite will be taken out of our freedom of the Press. For example, if someone wants to write about a politician, they can be sued even if the politician is not named in the article even if it is an OP ED. Since when do we limit opinions? But that is exactly what will happen if Depp wins. But so many are on his side as he moves to set a precedent that will erode rights we have already enjoyed.

On the flip side. You have a valid concern. But I hope you will feel more at ease when I bring to mind , Fox News. Fox News was not a big deal before 911. But after 9/11 it found an audience that was tiring of the left wing main stream media. Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch, right? He offers his corporate service to a clientele that wants right leaning news. Correct? There is a market correct? As long as there is a demand for right leaning news, he and NewsCorp and a couple others will attempt to provide. Therefore you don’t have censorship. You merely have a corporation offering a product for its clientele .

Now if NPR gave slanted news , and censored the bias , that would be more of a problem. They are a public broadcasting corporation. The government has a right to tell them to clean up their act, because they are receiving public funds that the government can take away. In the late teens. Donald Trump got more and more favorable press fro NPR, because the Republican Congress threatened to withhold funding. That is how checks and balances work, as well as a free enterprise system.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Since when do we limit opinions? But that is exactly what will happen if Depp wins.


Big difference from stating your opinion and defaming someone


The Covington Kids Proved this .... they are LIED About, defamed and vilified FOR SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
Now if NPR gave slanted news , and censored the bias , that would be more of a problem.

NPR does exactly that. :lol: All you have to do to see it is listen to them.

I can't speak to the Depp/Heard thing because whenever I see a headline about them I make a squinch face and pass it by. The only thing I know about it is that she supposedly took a crap in his bed, and the only reason I know that is because of all the memes going around.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

Telling, is that the majority of many online major news story outlets, have 86'd their comment sections. Such a Yahoo, The Hill, etc.. While others, will, at times, on certain lesser stories, have the comment section open, and conversely, on the hot topic stories, have them closed. The WSJ does this quite a lot. As do some online Fox News outlets, some will never have a comment section, while another online Fox News outlets will have them. They don't want people to engage, call out, the BS their propaganda news story is spewing, apparently. In addition, if one does post a comment on some sites that do not meet the current narrative or are counter to established, (unwritten rules or vague TOS), or aren't in full agreement with the story, it will never be approved and never see the light of day. One just has to take a visit over to or own local, St. Mary's County, comment censoring site, The Baynet, to witness the local picking and choosing of which comments are to be allowed. This is, I believe is also called, censorship? Or maniacal control? Or controlled opposition? Or some such BS.

Which is why these here local forums, a super public service, that @vraiblonde provides, is so absolutely critical to the continuation of unfettered free speech and information dissemination.

And full disclosure: I've gotten a few, in the past, you do that again and you're out, or, you better change your ways, type notices in my inbox. Yes, as you all very well know, I used to be a bad boy. So now I'm mostly mellow and use the Irish diplomacy approach wording my posts in such a way, "The art of telling someone to go to hell and having them look forward to the trip." Because she can be really really really scary. :shocking:
 

DLScott

Member
Big difference from stating your opinion and defaming someone


The Covington Kids Proved this .... they are LIED About, defamed and vilified FOR SOMETHING THAT NEVER HAPPENED
If the Covington kid had any moral core values his daddy dearest wouldn’t have launched the huge lawsuit against the media. What kind of piece of crap values was that? Anybody who has raised 15 year old boys and are actually present for their development know what a smart ass defiant look they can have. It’s part of their development. That dad did the lawsuit and I saw right through the lot of them. Poor little fifteen year old boy. Worse has happened to people by the press ya know, and they have behaved better.
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
If the Covington kid had any moral core values his daddy dearest wouldn’t have launched the huge lawsuit against the media. What kind of piece of crap values was that? Anybody who has raised 15 year old boys and are actually present for their development know what a smart ass defiant look they can have. It’s part of their development. That dad did the lawsuit and I saw right through the lot of them. Poor little fifteen year old boy. Worse has happened to people by the press ya know, and they have behaved better.
So it was okay for the press to smear them?
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
If the Covington kid had any moral core values his daddy dearest wouldn’t have launched the huge lawsuit against the media. What kind of piece of crap values was that? Anybody who has raised 15 year old boys and are actually present for their development know what a smart ass defiant look they can have. It’s part of their development. That dad did the lawsuit and I saw right through the lot of them. Poor little fifteen year old boy. Worse has happened to people by the press ya know, and they have behaved better.

Yeah, now you've lost me. What happened to Nicholas Sandmann was a disgrace and the ravening wolverine news media should be held accountable - WAY more than what they were, because all that happened was their billionaire bosses had to pay out a few bucks. Cost of doing business, meh, big whoop, probably wrote it off on their taxes. There should be a real punishment that would act as a deterrent.

I'm stunned that you have no sympathy for a teenager who was chosen at random for no apparent reason to be attacked by the media and absolutely raked over the coals.

This is one of those moments when you realize the person you've been having an enjoyable discussion with is an amoral person with no compassion toward someone who suffered through no fault of his own.

And now we're done here.
 

DLScott

Member
Yeah, now you've lost me. What happened to Nicholas Sandmann was a disgrace and the ravening wolverine news media should be held accountable - WAY more than what they were, because all that happened was their billionaire bosses had to pay out a few bucks. Cost of doing business, meh, big whoop, probably wrote it off on their taxes. There should be a real punishment that would act as a deterrent.

I'm stunned that you have no sympathy for a teenager who was chosen at random for no apparent reason to be attacked by the media and absolutely raked over the coals.

This is one of those moments when you realize the person you've been having an enjoyable discussion with is an amoral person with no compassion toward someone who suffered through no fault of his own.

And now we're done here
 

DLScott

Member
And the tiniest violin plays….

Cry me a river.. Because I have no sympathy for a snot nose that couldn’t have the decency to just move out of the way. As soon as the dad got greedy my sympathy flew away.

Worse has happened to many by the press.
Lawsuits set precedents, which become the law of the land.
 

DLScott

Member
Yeah, now you've lost me. What happened to Nicholas Sandmann was a disgrace and the ravening wolverine news media should be held accountable - WAY more than what they were, because all that happened was their billionaire bosses had to pay out a few bucks. Cost of doing business, meh, big whoop, probably wrote it off on their taxes. There should be a real punishment that would act as a deterrent.

I'm stunned that you have no sympathy for a teenager who was chosen at random for no apparent reason to be attacked by the media and absolutely raked over the coals.

This is one of those moments when you realize the person you've been having an enjoyable discussion with is an amoral person with no compassion toward someone who suffered through no fault of his own.

And now we're done here.
I guess you don’t want to know what I think of the spoiled underage psycho brat that went to Kenosha, and had no business being there, because he was looking for trouble.

Stop defending idiots because it fits your narrative.
 
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